Aaron Brooks

nocloning · 06-03-2003, 05:49 PM

Most of us agree that AB has great potential. He has natural ability and an instinct for playing football. The question is if he is just riding his talent to take him where he wants to go or is he willing to work as hard as he can, listen to his coaches (it doesn\'t help if Haz and the back-up look at photos and analyze the mistakes!) and elevate the play of his offensive teammates.
Would I like to see some of the players here in a Saints uniform? Hell yeah, but I\'m pretty happy with AB. His numbers are pretty impressive as it is (although a little misleading) and he still has room to grow. Maybe it\'s good that Jake is gone, at least we won\'t have that discussion again. Does anyone want to start Bouman over Brooks (if AB is fit)?

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-03-2003, 06:24 PM

BlackandBlue, that\'s some good stuff man..lol. But anwser me this? If you had 2 quarterbacks with the same skills execpt one was mobile, wouldn\'t the mobile quarterback be better. I\'ll anwser it for you. Of couse. When the protection breaks down and you have to have 10 yards for a first down with a blitzer running at you, woud you want Kurt Warner or John Elway(in his prime)

rusta · 06-03-2003, 07:45 PM

ok B&B your post had some good comic value but no substance

let\'s start again

brady- yeah he\'s got a ring, so does dilfer, and your point? dilfer got laid off right after his super bowl win, brady had an average year after his, but he had no receivers , neither did dilfer, are you saying dilfer is better than AB because he has a ring? at this point brady is a flash in the pan, he may prove me wrong this year but for now give me AB

carr and harrington- brooks went to the second round of the playoffs his first year, granted brooks was on a better team than either of these guys but AB had over 3000 yds passing and 20+ td\'s his first year as a starter not to mention what he brought in using his legs, oh wait AB has done that every year he has been a starter, you think either of these guys will do that their second year?

bledsoe- he\'s been a great QB, BEEN a great QB, i never said he hasn\'t had a great career, but his career is coming to a close within the next 3-4 years, as great as his career has been he never lived up to the potential people put on him, he\'s got a few more years, give me AB( that was the point of this thread who would you rather have? )

i didn\'t compare AB to marino or any other of the top QB\'s of all time, you made it a point that AB wasn\'t sh!t since he didn\'t have a ring, neither does marino, that was my point, you\'re right dup2, i forgot about marino\'s super bowl flub

in case you haven\'t looked at the numbers, AB has a good a start to a career as anyone could hope for, at his current pace he wil be one of the best of all time

your post was funny but if all you can gather to back it up is jokes directed at my grammar and facts that are obvious to all and prove nothing then don\'t waste the time

[Edited on 4/6/2003 by rusta]

[Edited on 4/6/2003 by rusta]

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-03-2003, 07:50 PM

Drew Bledsoe will never ever make it to the hall of fame. If she does the whole thing is a sham.

lumm0x · 06-03-2003, 08:29 PM

While I have to agree with Rusta and his selections of who he wouldn\'t take over Aaron Brooks right now, I will have to argue the fact that Brooks is a great QB. He is a good QB at best and has proven that he can\'t lead a team mentally. While he once could single handedly win a game, he seems to have decided he is not a mobile QB, except backwards, and wants to be a pocket passer. While he has a gun for an arm, he lacks touch and pocket presence. He is a good QB, and still young enough to have potential. He couldn\'t carry Marino\'s lunch pail, but few can.

saint5221 · 06-03-2003, 10:02 PM

You got it Lumm. Brooks has incredible physcial skills, A cannon of an arm with legs to match,but he does not seem to have developed pocket awareness and footwork when in trouble or good decision making ability yet. He also is definitely short on leadership skills.It is way to early to close the book on Brooks he may yet develop the mental skills needed to become one of the leagues best but he is not there yet. This was the knock on Brooks when he came into the league, great skills but a biscuit brain. For the sake of the Saints and the the coach who has placed so much faith in him I hope he does come around soon. Its not that I think Brooks is a bad QB far from it I just do not hold him in as high esteem as some here. With all the weapons this team has we don\'t need Brooks to be great, just smart.

[Edited on 6/4/2003 by saint5221]

BlackandBlue · 06-03-2003, 10:03 PM

ok B&B your post had some good comic value but no substance

OH MY GOD- and your post was a well thought out presentation filled with facts as to why Brooks is better than these QB\'s???
These factual gems are so good, allow me to list them out
1)neither carr nor harrington have the potential or already proven talent to be better than AB
2)harrington is going to be injury prone his whole career and lacks a killer instinct
3)while carr has the physicality to be great he doesn\'t seem to be mentally tough, he might learn the mental aspects of the game better but i don\'t think he will ever react as naturally as AB does
4)(in reference to Bledsoe) his tour in buffalo will end just like in new england only shorter

Hey rusta, you\'re so good at predicting the future, can you tell me if I\'m going to win the lottery Wednesday night? I got a whole sheet of tickets. You know, I think Al Davis is gay as a parade, but that don\'t make it fact. You forgot to mention in your comparison between Brooks and Carr/Harrington, is that Brooks didn\'t start his rookie year- he also had one of the best QB\'s of all time to learn from during that time. I\'m not typing this because I think you are wrong about who is better than who. I just think that the points you made as to why were crazy. I think Deuce is better than Ricky- why, I can\'t tell you, I just do. What I don\'t do is start creating issues that these player\'s might or might not have to support my point.
Attacking someone\'s grammar is something I don\'t do if I feel like the person is trying. It\'s a pet peeve of mine, heaven help us all if we get some new guy in here that types in \"dude speak\"- makes me want to ram my head into my monitor.
Bledsoe going to the Hall is not that far off- he\'s lacking 5000 yards before he breaks 40,000 for his career, that coupled with his TD total should be enough to get him in.
And, yes, If I had to choose between two QB\'s with the same exact skills, only one was mobile and the other wasn\'t, I\'d take the mobile QB. But if I had to choose between two guys, who\'s arms were the same strength and were both just as accurate, only one has won a super bowl, and the other was mobile, give me the super bowl champ any day of the week.

[Edited on 4/6/2003 by BlackandBlue]

tweeky · 06-03-2003, 10:24 PM

Things he needs to do better...
1. Screen pass, he is horrible at selling the screen. He starts tippy-toeing when the huddle breaks. I can spot it on his 2nd step back after a 6 Coronas.

2. 3rd down, field goal range, just don\'t take a sack AB, don\'t take a sack...Dang, sacked for 12 yard loss, no FG, punt through the end zone. He must have done this 2 zillion times.

3. 3rd and 6, AB scrambles out of pocket, he can run for 1st down plus 10 more easy, dang, he throws into triple coverage, incomplete !?!?!? WTF was that???

4. Throws a pick, his fault, smiles from ear to ear. WR drops a good ball, he smiles from ear to ear. GET IN SOMEBODY\'S FACE AB!!!! CHEW SOMEBODY\'S ARSE!!!!

Act like somebody just slapped yo mamma!

All 4 of these are typical of a young developing QB. But he\'s approaching the phase of his career where he\'s no longer young or developing. This is a benchmark year for him. If he\'s got the \"intangibles\" that it takes to be a winner, he must start showing it this year consistantly or it will become painfulyy clear that he may never show it.

tweeky · 06-04-2003, 08:47 AM

Rome Clone?

I wouldn\'t know, the local sports radio station removed him several years ago after he ridiculed nascar (neck-car) fans. In South Alabama, hammering nascar and their fans is like pissin\' on the confederate flag. I wish we did get him here, I enjoyed it for the 6 months we had it.

jm · 06-04-2003, 11:22 AM

I am a long time Saints fan and I will pull for the players on the field but at the risks of incurring the ire of fellow Saint\'s fans let me express my opinions on Brooks as I did at the end of the season. Brooks has the tools to be a good QB but to me he has a problem exhibiting selfish traits and not giving all as a team player. At the end of the 1st Half in the Panthers game in Charlotte he left the field with one play remaining (tweeked his thumb ?)
and during the last 3 games of the season refused to take himself out when he was giving a sub par performance due to the injury to arm or shoulder. Of course the D got blamed for colapsing in those games. But in the last game against the Panthers the D gave up 10 points while Brooks and the O got 6 points in which the receivers got the balme for dropping passes. Just and average qb should have been able to help the O get more than 10. The coach refused to pull him and Brooks wouldn\'t admit he couldn\'t get the job done so the opportunity for a playoff game was lost.
As far as potential everyone has it to a certain degree, however Parcells said it best, potential means you haven\'t done it yet.
That was last season and I\'m hoping Haslett has corrected some attitudes so the Saints can have a great season this year. Right or wrong that\'s the way I see it !

06-03-2003, 05:49 PM	#11
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Aaron Brooks Most of us agree that AB has great potential. He has natural ability and an instinct for playing football. The question is if he is just riding his talent to take him where he wants to go or is he willing to work as hard as he can, listen to his coaches (it doesn\'t help if Haz and the back-up look at photos and analyze the mistakes!) and elevate the play of his offensive teammates. Would I like to see some of the players here in a Saints uniform? Hell yeah, but I\'m pretty happy with AB. His numbers are pretty impressive as it is (although a little misleading) and he still has room to grow. Maybe it\'s good that Jake is gone, at least we won\'t have that discussion again. Does anyone want to start Bouman over Brooks (if AB is fit)?
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06-03-2003, 06:24 PM	#12
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks BlackandBlue, that\'s some good stuff man..lol. But anwser me this? If you had 2 quarterbacks with the same skills execpt one was mobile, wouldn\'t the mobile quarterback be better. I\'ll anwser it for you. Of couse. When the protection breaks down and you have to have 10 yards for a first down with a blitzer running at you, woud you want Kurt Warner or John Elway(in his prime)
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06-03-2003, 07:45 PM	#13
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	Aaron Brooks ok B&B your post had some good comic value but no substance let\'s start again brady- yeah he\'s got a ring, so does dilfer, and your point? dilfer got laid off right after his super bowl win, brady had an average year after his, but he had no receivers , neither did dilfer, are you saying dilfer is better than AB because he has a ring? at this point brady is a flash in the pan, he may prove me wrong this year but for now give me AB carr and harrington- brooks went to the second round of the playoffs his first year, granted brooks was on a better team than either of these guys but AB had over 3000 yds passing and 20+ td\'s his first year as a starter not to mention what he brought in using his legs, oh wait AB has done that every year he has been a starter, you think either of these guys will do that their second year? bledsoe- he\'s been a great QB, BEEN a great QB, i never said he hasn\'t had a great career, but his career is coming to a close within the next 3-4 years, as great as his career has been he never lived up to the potential people put on him, he\'s got a few more years, give me AB( that was the point of this thread who would you rather have? ) i didn\'t compare AB to marino or any other of the top QB\'s of all time, you made it a point that AB wasn\'t sh!t since he didn\'t have a ring, neither does marino, that was my point, you\'re right dup2, i forgot about marino\'s super bowl flub in case you haven\'t looked at the numbers, AB has a good a start to a career as anyone could hope for, at his current pace he wil be one of the best of all time your post was funny but if all you can gather to back it up is jokes directed at my grammar and facts that are obvious to all and prove nothing then don\'t waste the time [Edited on 4/6/2003 by rusta] [Edited on 4/6/2003 by rusta]
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06-03-2003, 07:50 PM	#14
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks Drew Bledsoe will never ever make it to the hall of fame. If she does the whole thing is a sham.
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06-03-2003, 08:29 PM	#15
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Aaron Brooks While I have to agree with Rusta and his selections of who he wouldn\'t take over Aaron Brooks right now, I will have to argue the fact that Brooks is a great QB. He is a good QB at best and has proven that he can\'t lead a team mentally. While he once could single handedly win a game, he seems to have decided he is not a mobile QB, except backwards, and wants to be a pocket passer. While he has a gun for an arm, he lacks touch and pocket presence. He is a good QB, and still young enough to have potential. He couldn\'t carry Marino\'s lunch pail, but few can.

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06-03-2003, 10:02 PM	#16
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Aaron Brooks You got it Lumm. Brooks has incredible physcial skills, A cannon of an arm with legs to match,but he does not seem to have developed pocket awareness and footwork when in trouble or good decision making ability yet. He also is definitely short on leadership skills.It is way to early to close the book on Brooks he may yet develop the mental skills needed to become one of the leagues best but he is not there yet. This was the knock on Brooks when he came into the league, great skills but a biscuit brain. For the sake of the Saints and the the coach who has placed so much faith in him I hope he does come around soon. Its not that I think Brooks is a bad QB far from it I just do not hold him in as high esteem as some here. With all the weapons this team has we don\'t need Brooks to be great, just smart. [Edited on 6/4/2003 by saint5221]
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06-03-2003, 10:03 PM	#17
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Aaron Brooks ok B&B your post had some good comic value but no substance OH MY GOD- and your post was a well thought out presentation filled with facts as to why Brooks is better than these QB\'s??? These factual gems are so good, allow me to list them out 1)neither carr nor harrington have the potential or already proven talent to be better than AB 2)harrington is going to be injury prone his whole career and lacks a killer instinct 3)while carr has the physicality to be great he doesn\'t seem to be mentally tough, he might learn the mental aspects of the game better but i don\'t think he will ever react as naturally as AB does 4)(in reference to Bledsoe) his tour in buffalo will end just like in new england only shorter Hey rusta, you\'re so good at predicting the future, can you tell me if I\'m going to win the lottery Wednesday night? I got a whole sheet of tickets. You know, I think Al Davis is gay as a parade, but that don\'t make it fact. You forgot to mention in your comparison between Brooks and Carr/Harrington, is that Brooks didn\'t start his rookie year- he also had one of the best QB\'s of all time to learn from during that time. I\'m not typing this because I think you are wrong about who is better than who. I just think that the points you made as to why were crazy. I think Deuce is better than Ricky- why, I can\'t tell you, I just do. What I don\'t do is start creating issues that these player\'s might or might not have to support my point. Attacking someone\'s grammar is something I don\'t do if I feel like the person is trying. It\'s a pet peeve of mine, heaven help us all if we get some new guy in here that types in \"dude speak\"- makes me want to ram my head into my monitor. Bledsoe going to the Hall is not that far off- he\'s lacking 5000 yards before he breaks 40,000 for his career, that coupled with his TD total should be enough to get him in. And, yes, If I had to choose between two QB\'s with the same exact skills, only one was mobile and the other wasn\'t, I\'d take the mobile QB. But if I had to choose between two guys, who\'s arms were the same strength and were both just as accurate, only one has won a super bowl, and the other was mobile, give me the super bowl champ any day of the week. [Edited on 4/6/2003 by BlackandBlue]
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06-03-2003, 10:24 PM	#18
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Aaron Brooks Things he needs to do better... 1. Screen pass, he is horrible at selling the screen. He starts tippy-toeing when the huddle breaks. I can spot it on his 2nd step back after a 6 Coronas. 2. 3rd down, field goal range, just don\'t take a sack AB, don\'t take a sack...Dang, sacked for 12 yard loss, no FG, punt through the end zone. He must have done this 2 zillion times. 3. 3rd and 6, AB scrambles out of pocket, he can run for 1st down plus 10 more easy, dang, he throws into triple coverage, incomplete !?!?!? WTF was that??? 4. Throws a pick, his fault, smiles from ear to ear. WR drops a good ball, he smiles from ear to ear. GET IN SOMEBODY\'S FACE AB!!!! CHEW SOMEBODY\'S ARSE!!!! Act like somebody just slapped yo mamma! All 4 of these are typical of a young developing QB. But he\'s approaching the phase of his career where he\'s no longer young or developing. This is a benchmark year for him. If he\'s got the \"intangibles\" that it takes to be a winner, he must start showing it this year consistantly or it will become painfulyy clear that he may never show it.
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06-04-2003, 08:47 AM	#19
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Aaron Brooks Rome Clone? I wouldn\'t know, the local sports radio station removed him several years ago after he ridiculed nascar (neck-car) fans. In South Alabama, hammering nascar and their fans is like pissin\' on the confederate flag. I wish we did get him here, I enjoyed it for the 6 months we had it.

06-04-2003, 11:22 AM	#20
jm 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 133	Aaron Brooks I am a long time Saints fan and I will pull for the players on the field but at the risks of incurring the ire of fellow Saint\'s fans let me express my opinions on Brooks as I did at the end of the season. Brooks has the tools to be a good QB but to me he has a problem exhibiting selfish traits and not giving all as a team player. At the end of the 1st Half in the Panthers game in Charlotte he left the field with one play remaining (tweeked his thumb ?) and during the last 3 games of the season refused to take himself out when he was giving a sub par performance due to the injury to arm or shoulder. Of course the D got blamed for colapsing in those games. But in the last game against the Panthers the D gave up 10 points while Brooks and the O got 6 points in which the receivers got the balme for dropping passes. Just and average qb should have been able to help the O get more than 10. The coach refused to pull him and Brooks wouldn\'t admit he couldn\'t get the job done so the opportunity for a playoff game was lost. As far as potential everyone has it to a certain degree, however Parcells said it best, potential means you haven\'t done it yet. That was last season and I\'m hoping Haslett has corrected some attitudes so the Saints can have a great season this year. Right or wrong that\'s the way I see it !
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