Aaron Brooks

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-12-2003, 10:15 PM

Here\'s one more for the Brooks basing crew.

John Elway stats for the first 3-years.

Year G Att. Comp. Pct. Yds. TD INT. Rating

83\' 11 259 123 47.5 1,663 7 14 54.9

84\' 15 380 214 56.3 2,598 18 15 76.8

85\' 16 605 327 327 3,891 22 23 70.0

Seems like Elway regressed a little in his 3rd year too huh? Would you have cut him. Sure you would have. You would have said all the same things about him as your saying about brooks. He runs too much, he\'s to selfish, and on and on and on.

RIGHT??????????????????????????????????/

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-12-2003, 11:15 PM

TROY AIKMAN 1ST THREE YEARS

YEAR TEAM G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
1989 Dallas Cowboys 11 11 293 155 52.9 1749 6.0 75t 9 18 55.7
1990 Dallas Cowboys 15 15 399 226 56.6 2579 6.5 61t 11 18 66.6
1991 Dallas Cowboys 12 12 363 237 65.3 2754 7.6 61 11 10 86.7

See a pattern here. If you don\'t I\'ll fill you in. IT IS NORMAL FOR A QB TO STRUGGLE IN HIS FIRST 3 YEARS. I COULD SHOW YOU MORE BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE ENOUGH.

BlackandBlue · 06-12-2003, 11:16 PM

No, actually what I would be saying is that neither Bradshaw nor Elway, in their first three years, had the talent around him that Brooks does now. And I\'m not calling for his head on a platter, either. I\'m simply saying he needs to be better this next year in order to get some people off his back.

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-12-2003, 11:20 PM

B&B,

I\'m not including you in the Brook bashing crew. I don\'t know if I agree with that talent comparison... What about Aikman? Michael Irvan, Emmit Smith, and a damn good O-line.

BlackandBlue · 06-12-2003, 11:26 PM

Yeah, and Aikman had a 65% completion percentage during his 3rd year, which just happened to have ended after his 38th game, and he was surrounded by good talent.

Damn, man, do you LIVE on these boards?

EDIT: And also, Elway was the only thing that the Bronco\'s had for a long time. Bradshaw, well, they knew he was going to be a stud as hard as he threw, but Franco Harris didn\'t arrive until 72, and Swann and Stallworth didn\'t arrive until 74.

[Edited on 13/6/2003 by BlackandBlue]

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-12-2003, 11:31 PM

He also had 11TD\'s and 10ints.

As far as living on here.........it\'s a long story.............

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-12-2003, 11:43 PM

We can debate the talent that a QB had in his first 3-years forever, but your never going to convince me that Brooks had the better players than every hall of fame QB that ever played. It just kills me how everyone his calling for his head. What ever happened to giving a QB time to develop?

BlackandBlue · 06-13-2003, 09:36 AM

First off, YOU were the one that wanted to compare Brooks\' first three years to HoF QB\'s. Second, YOU were the one that mentioned Bradshaw, Elway, and Aikman\'s names, now you want to suddenly change that to EVERY QB that is in the HoF? Third, if you\'re deadset in you thinking, why bring it up in the first place?
Keep back tracking- at least you are good at something.

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-13-2003, 10:23 AM

First off, I only listed 3 HOF QB\'S becuase I didn\'t feel it necessary to list every damn one of them. Second, I thought you would know that it is common for almost every QB in the first few years to struggle(except Marino) Third if you can\'t admit I\'m right, it\'s OK to be wrong.

BlackandBlue · 06-13-2003, 11:08 AM

I happen to be wrong twice a year, and this would not be one of them. I pointed out a few fallacies in your argument which you never addressed directly. You can lead a horse to water...
This has turned out to be about as productive as a quadriplegic boxing match.

06-12-2003, 10:15 PM	#51
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks Here\'s one more for the Brooks basing crew. John Elway stats for the first 3-years. Year G Att. Comp. Pct. Yds. TD INT. Rating 83\' 11 259 123 47.5 1,663 7 14 54.9 84\' 15 380 214 56.3 2,598 18 15 76.8 85\' 16 605 327 327 3,891 22 23 70.0 Seems like Elway regressed a little in his 3rd year too huh? Would you have cut him. Sure you would have. You would have said all the same things about him as your saying about brooks. He runs too much, he\'s to selfish, and on and on and on. RIGHT??????????????????????????????????/
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

06-12-2003, 11:15 PM	#52
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks TROY AIKMAN 1ST THREE YEARS YEAR TEAM G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate 1989 Dallas Cowboys 11 11 293 155 52.9 1749 6.0 75t 9 18 55.7 1990 Dallas Cowboys 15 15 399 226 56.6 2579 6.5 61t 11 18 66.6 1991 Dallas Cowboys 12 12 363 237 65.3 2754 7.6 61 11 10 86.7 See a pattern here. If you don\'t I\'ll fill you in. IT IS NORMAL FOR A QB TO STRUGGLE IN HIS FIRST 3 YEARS. I COULD SHOW YOU MORE BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE ENOUGH.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

06-12-2003, 11:16 PM	#53
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Aaron Brooks No, actually what I would be saying is that neither Bradshaw nor Elway, in their first three years, had the talent around him that Brooks does now. And I\'m not calling for his head on a platter, either. I\'m simply saying he needs to be better this next year in order to get some people off his back.

06-12-2003, 11:20 PM	#54
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks B&B, I\'m not including you in the Brook bashing crew. I don\'t know if I agree with that talent comparison... What about Aikman? Michael Irvan, Emmit Smith, and a damn good O-line.
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06-12-2003, 11:26 PM	#55
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Aaron Brooks Yeah, and Aikman had a 65% completion percentage during his 3rd year, which just happened to have ended after his 38th game, and he was surrounded by good talent. Damn, man, do you LIVE on these boards? EDIT: And also, Elway was the only thing that the Bronco\'s had for a long time. Bradshaw, well, they knew he was going to be a stud as hard as he threw, but Franco Harris didn\'t arrive until 72, and Swann and Stallworth didn\'t arrive until 74. [Edited on 13/6/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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06-12-2003, 11:31 PM	#56
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks He also had 11TD\'s and 10ints. As far as living on here.........it\'s a long story.............
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06-12-2003, 11:43 PM	#57
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks We can debate the talent that a QB had in his first 3-years forever, but your never going to convince me that Brooks had the better players than every hall of fame QB that ever played. It just kills me how everyone his calling for his head. What ever happened to giving a QB time to develop?
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

06-13-2003, 09:36 AM	#58
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Aaron Brooks First off, YOU were the one that wanted to compare Brooks\' first three years to HoF QB\'s. Second, YOU were the one that mentioned Bradshaw, Elway, and Aikman\'s names, now you want to suddenly change that to EVERY QB that is in the HoF? Third, if you\'re deadset in you thinking, why bring it up in the first place? Keep back tracking- at least you are good at something.

06-13-2003, 10:23 AM	#59
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks First off, I only listed 3 HOF QB\'S becuase I didn\'t feel it necessary to list every damn one of them. Second, I thought you would know that it is common for almost every QB in the first few years to struggle(except Marino) Third if you can\'t admit I\'m right, it\'s OK to be wrong.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

06-13-2003, 11:08 AM	#60
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Aaron Brooks I happen to be wrong twice a year, and this would not be one of them. I pointed out a few fallacies in your argument which you never addressed directly. You can lead a horse to water... This has turned out to be about as productive as a quadriplegic boxing match.