Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN!

WhoDat · 06-14-2003, 10:20 AM

Cassady - see above...

Is it just me, or did I not talk anything about our defense or coaching staff, or even wins and losses in my post?

I have to steal a line from Gator...

Ah, you\'re changing the subject... good strategy...

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-14-2003, 10:24 AM

Billy - well now I might have to bust your balls a little bit...
Do me a favor, when you can\'t respond to a post, just say \"I concede\"... or even, \"you make good points but I still disagree

As soon as you make some good points about Brooks, I will let you know. Thanks.

WhoDat · 06-14-2003, 10:32 AM

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

That\'s comical. OK... I\'ll try to put this in language an eight year old can understand... then you try to respond to it, OK?

Aaron Brooks is an athletic quarterback with poor leadership skills, a track record that shows he doesn\'t learn a lot, and a \"loose\" style of play that makes him commit more errors than he should.

A quarterback with the weapons we have should be smart, controlled... a good manager and distributor of the ball.

Argue that.

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-14-2003, 10:42 AM

You want to talk leadership skills? To lead you must first be able to follow. When your following, that means you are learning. Brooks is learning to be a leader. Leaders and followers make misrtakes. It\'s very easy to sit on Sundays and say he should have done this or that. It\'s called growing pains. All those weapons your talking about haven\'t been playing together long. He had a rookie wide receiver, a running back starting for his first year. I think Brooks will get better, I see you don\'t. Just because you don\'t think he will does not make you an expert on the QB position..

WhoDat · 06-14-2003, 10:53 AM

I don\'t claim to be an expert... and thanks for the cliche... did you get that off a t-shirt somewhere?

You still don\'t understand my point. Brooks is likely to get better, you\'re right. But that still doesn\'t make him a guy who fits our system. His major talents lie in his physical abilities, not his smarts. I don\'t believe that you can learn to be a leader... he may be able to become a better manager, which is also important, but not a better leader...

In any case, the point remains that this skills do not match up well with our system. I would take Chad Pennington right now over Michael Vick... why? B/c Pennington is smart, efficient, controlled. Sure, Vick is the most exciting guy in football right now, but how often does he make a play with his arm? No, we have plenty of weapons... find someone that will get them the ball when they need to be receiving it...

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-14-2003, 11:15 AM

You keep talking about our system. This system was put in by Mike McCarthy, he seems to think that Brooks fits pretty well, don\'t you think. Are McCarthy\'s leadership skills in question too? You seem to being saying that Brooks has the physical skills but he is too stupid to know how to run a mythodical offense, you want a thinking man\'s(such as yourself) quarterback. What mistakes are you talking about that any other QB has not made?

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-14-2003, 12:06 PM

Whodat,

Thought you might like to see this..........

By Vic Carucci
National Editor, NFL.com

(June 13, 2003) -- Given the choice between improving with potentially great new players or potentially great new strategy, any rational NFL coach would say there is nothing to choose.

Talent always comes first.

rusta · 06-14-2003, 01:49 PM

hey dat, i understand the point you are trying to make about AB not fitting our system

I DON\'T AGREE!!!!!

primarily because we have no system, i put a thread up some time ago contemplating this, supposedly we run a west coast offense, i don\'t know what crackhead PR guy came up with that because we don\'t look anything like a west coast offense, i might be mistaken but i think you agree here, we can\'t run a screen or short pattern to save our lives, we look like the rams of 99-01, healthy dose of duece(they used faulk) and the rest was 15-25 yd passes

now i\'m assuming you agree with me on our system, so how can you say AB doesn\'t fit? he might not be the smartest yet but he doesn\'t need to be because we don\'t play that way

again i reiterate this: we scored 20+ points a game last year, there is nothing wrong with AB, our defense sucks

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-14-2003, 01:58 PM

Year 2002

Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
Brett Favre GB 3658 551 341 27 16 85 85.6
Aaron Brooks NO 3572 528 283 27 15 64 80.1

Rusta,

Should we get rid of Farve too? Hell, he can\'t manage a game either.

[Edited on 14/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

Cassady37 · 06-14-2003, 03:28 PM

Ok, Whodat, I\'ll bite. Just what was the subject I was changing to avoid? The simple fact is that everyone wants to over-complicate what is wrong with this team. I firmly believe that although Aaron Brooks is not the well-seasoned, mature leader that everyone wants, the problem lies in how this team is prepared. Game film studies, evaluations, 1,2 & 3 gameplans so if one collapses another takes it\'s place, being able to adjust on the fly on defense or offense. So far in the years of Haslett I see none of that consistently. We have individually good coaches on this staff but I do not believe thay are being brought together to utilize their specialties. They are not a cohesive unit and if they can\'t get it together how is the team supposed to get it together? This Saints team has gone on individual talent for the last two years and if we ever expect to fully improve to a consistant play-off contender it\'s not the TALENT that needs to change. It\'s the coaches that utilize that talent. Are you going to tell me if another coach, and let\'s just say for the sake of argument, a Bill Belichek or a Herman Moore, were to take this team the last couple of years we would be as inconsistent as we have been, finally melting completely down with the late season collapses?

06-14-2003, 10:20 AM	#31
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! Cassady - see above... Is it just me, or did I not talk anything about our defense or coaching staff, or even wins and losses in my post? I have to steal a line from Gator... Ah, you\'re changing the subject... good strategy...
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06-14-2003, 10:24 AM	#32
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! Billy - well now I might have to bust your balls a little bit... Do me a favor, when you can\'t respond to a post, just say \"I concede\"... or even, \"you make good points but I still disagree As soon as you make some good points about Brooks, I will let you know. Thanks.
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06-14-2003, 10:32 AM	#33
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! That\'s comical. OK... I\'ll try to put this in language an eight year old can understand... then you try to respond to it, OK? Aaron Brooks is an athletic quarterback with poor leadership skills, a track record that shows he doesn\'t learn a lot, and a \"loose\" style of play that makes him commit more errors than he should. A quarterback with the weapons we have should be smart, controlled... a good manager and distributor of the ball. Argue that.
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06-14-2003, 10:42 AM	#34
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! You want to talk leadership skills? To lead you must first be able to follow. When your following, that means you are learning. Brooks is learning to be a leader. Leaders and followers make misrtakes. It\'s very easy to sit on Sundays and say he should have done this or that. It\'s called growing pains. All those weapons your talking about haven\'t been playing together long. He had a rookie wide receiver, a running back starting for his first year. I think Brooks will get better, I see you don\'t. Just because you don\'t think he will does not make you an expert on the QB position..
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06-14-2003, 10:53 AM	#35
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! I don\'t claim to be an expert... and thanks for the cliche... did you get that off a t-shirt somewhere? You still don\'t understand my point. Brooks is likely to get better, you\'re right. But that still doesn\'t make him a guy who fits our system. His major talents lie in his physical abilities, not his smarts. I don\'t believe that you can learn to be a leader... he may be able to become a better manager, which is also important, but not a better leader... In any case, the point remains that this skills do not match up well with our system. I would take Chad Pennington right now over Michael Vick... why? B/c Pennington is smart, efficient, controlled. Sure, Vick is the most exciting guy in football right now, but how often does he make a play with his arm? No, we have plenty of weapons... find someone that will get them the ball when they need to be receiving it...
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06-14-2003, 11:15 AM	#36
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! You keep talking about our system. This system was put in by Mike McCarthy, he seems to think that Brooks fits pretty well, don\'t you think. Are McCarthy\'s leadership skills in question too? You seem to being saying that Brooks has the physical skills but he is too stupid to know how to run a mythodical offense, you want a thinking man\'s(such as yourself) quarterback. What mistakes are you talking about that any other QB has not made?
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

06-14-2003, 12:06 PM	#37
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! Whodat, Thought you might like to see this.......... By Vic Carucci National Editor, NFL.com (June 13, 2003) -- Given the choice between improving with potentially great new players or potentially great new strategy, any rational NFL coach would say there is nothing to choose. Talent always comes first.
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06-14-2003, 01:49 PM	#38
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! hey dat, i understand the point you are trying to make about AB not fitting our system I DON\'T AGREE!!!!! primarily because we have no system, i put a thread up some time ago contemplating this, supposedly we run a west coast offense, i don\'t know what crackhead PR guy came up with that because we don\'t look anything like a west coast offense, i might be mistaken but i think you agree here, we can\'t run a screen or short pattern to save our lives, we look like the rams of 99-01, healthy dose of duece(they used faulk) and the rest was 15-25 yd passes now i\'m assuming you agree with me on our system, so how can you say AB doesn\'t fit? he might not be the smartest yet but he doesn\'t need to be because we don\'t play that way again i reiterate this: we scored 20+ points a game last year, there is nothing wrong with AB, our defense sucks
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06-14-2003, 01:58 PM	#39
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! Year 2002 Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating Brett Favre GB 3658 551 341 27 16 85 85.6 Aaron Brooks NO 3572 528 283 27 15 64 80.1 Rusta, Should we get rid of Farve too? Hell, he can\'t manage a game either. [Edited on 14/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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06-14-2003, 03:28 PM	#40
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN! Ok, Whodat, I\'ll bite. Just what was the subject I was changing to avoid? The simple fact is that everyone wants to over-complicate what is wrong with this team. I firmly believe that although Aaron Brooks is not the well-seasoned, mature leader that everyone wants, the problem lies in how this team is prepared. Game film studies, evaluations, 1,2 & 3 gameplans so if one collapses another takes it\'s place, being able to adjust on the fly on defense or offense. So far in the years of Haslett I see none of that consistently. We have individually good coaches on this staff but I do not believe thay are being brought together to utilize their specialties. They are not a cohesive unit and if they can\'t get it together how is the team supposed to get it together? This Saints team has gone on individual talent for the last two years and if we ever expect to fully improve to a consistant play-off contender it\'s not the TALENT that needs to change. It\'s the coaches that utilize that talent. Are you going to tell me if another coach, and let\'s just say for the sake of argument, a Bill Belichek or a Herman Moore, were to take this team the last couple of years we would be as inconsistent as we have been, finally melting completely down with the late season collapses?