It's Very Simple...Deuce

Papa Voodoo · 09-17-2007, 04:12 AM

We have played the same game since Chicago last year. Payton's pride is hurting us. We beat Philly by running Deuce. We lost to Chicago because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to the Colts because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to Tampa because we didn't run Deuce.

We're probably going to get spanked bad by the Titans because they actually run the football. We have one of the greatest backs in the game and since our coach is a "passing" coach his pride is making him force passing when all we need to do is run Deuce...not Reggie. running is a simpel way to build momentum. O lines can run block easier than pass block. We have Karney. There's no mystery to be solved.

It's not complicated. We don't suck. If we run Deuce a lot we will win a lot. If we don't we will relive the Chicago game all season and amount to nothing.

Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut?

New-Orleans-Saints-Gal · 09-17-2007, 06:23 AM

I couldn't agree more. It's also nice to read a message which states fact and not someone who is doing nothing more than throwing their hands up ready to give up.

While the first two games have ended in frustration, if you're a fan then you're a fan!!!!

darstep · 09-17-2007, 07:31 AM

Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth.

BIGEASY504 · 09-17-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth.

This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504

This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen

Doesn't matter if we score 40 points a game... if our opponets are allowed to score 41... we lose. Its basic math. Our D can't stop my grandmother. That puts to much pressure on our O and we can't do the things we need to do on O if our D is so horrific.

saintsfan1976 · 09-17-2007, 07:47 AM

Kenny Chesney likes passes.

WhoDat205 · 09-17-2007, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut?

Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21.

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

cadilacin · 09-17-2007, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

Thank You WhoDat. I'm tired of all these Katz thinking that the only answer is..."RUN DEUCE". Deuce ran pretty good early, and his fumble started the momentum for Tampa. We do need to run, but more importantly we need better and smarter play from (like HAGAN has been saying) the OL and DL. And we need Sean Payton to call ONE GOOD GAME!

I still think we're fine. One game down in the division aint bad. Not Superbowl contenders yet, because The Might Pats look Awesome...But we can get there...

Papa Voodoo · 09-17-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21.

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

That's exactly my point. Deuce is a hammer back. He is supposed to pound opposing defenses and set up play action. With a pounding RB the D gets worn down and huge offensive plays open up from the running game. Running is also easier than throwing and can help a struggling team get in rthythm.

Being down by 3 TDs is not a reason to abandon the run in the second half. You come out pounding and get some points and momentum. Then work from there. It also keeps opposing defenses off the field, even when you are down so they can't score as often. If they can score 3 TDs in the first half and there is the same amount of time in the second half as the first, then we can score three without having to get desparate and pass happy.

We need to run Deuce...the whole game...a lot. Our game plan for Chicago was pathetic and we've been stuck on the same thing ever since.

At the beginning of last year we ran Deuce in our first two games more than 10 times, even when Karney went out and we won. It's not a mystery.

iceshack149 · 09-17-2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21.

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

Actually, Deuce only ran the ball 10 times (again) and his average yards per run was 4.9 yards. So in theory, give it to him on 1st and 2nd down and you'll have less than a yard to go on 3rd down. This is, by the way, an example not a game plan.

09-17-2007, 04:12 AM	#1
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	It's Very Simple...Deuce We have played the same game since Chicago last year. Payton's pride is hurting us. We beat Philly by running Deuce. We lost to Chicago because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to the Colts because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to Tampa because we didn't run Deuce. We're probably going to get spanked bad by the Titans because they actually run the football. We have one of the greatest backs in the game and since our coach is a "passing" coach his pride is making him force passing when all we need to do is run Deuce...not Reggie. running is a simpel way to build momentum. O lines can run block easier than pass block. We have Karney. There's no mystery to be solved. It's not complicated. We don't suck. If we run Deuce a lot we will win a lot. If we don't we will relive the Chicago game all season and amount to nothing. Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut?

09-17-2007, 06:23 AM	#2
New-Orleans-Saints-Gal Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan - Moving back to New Orleans Posts: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce I couldn't agree more. It's also nice to read a message which states fact and not someone who is doing nothing more than throwing their hands up ready to give up. While the first two games have ended in frustration, if you're a fan then you're a fan!!!!

09-17-2007, 07:31 AM	#3
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth.

09-17-2007, 03:50 PM	#4
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by darstep Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth. This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487

09-18-2007, 01:18 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen Doesn't matter if we score 40 points a game... if our opponets are allowed to score 41... we lose. Its basic math. Our D can't stop my grandmother. That puts to much pressure on our O and we can't do the things we need to do on O if our D is so horrific.

09-17-2007, 07:47 AM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Kenny Chesney likes passes.

09-17-2007, 08:21 AM	#7
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut? Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21. You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

09-17-2007, 09:23 AM	#8
cadilacin "Real Talk" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 148	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by WhoDat205 You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game. Thank You WhoDat. I'm tired of all these Katz thinking that the only answer is..."RUN DEUCE". Deuce ran pretty good early, and his fumble started the momentum for Tampa. We do need to run, but more importantly we need better and smarter play from (like HAGAN has been saying) the OL and DL. And we need Sean Payton to call ONE GOOD GAME! I still think we're fine. One game down in the division aint bad. Not Superbowl contenders yet, because The Might Pats look Awesome...But we can get there...

09-17-2007, 12:39 PM	#9
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21. You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game. That's exactly my point. Deuce is a hammer back. He is supposed to pound opposing defenses and set up play action. With a pounding RB the D gets worn down and huge offensive plays open up from the running game. Running is also easier than throwing and can help a struggling team get in rthythm. Being down by 3 TDs is not a reason to abandon the run in the second half. You come out pounding and get some points and momentum. Then work from there. It also keeps opposing defenses off the field, even when you are down so they can't score as often. If they can score 3 TDs in the first half and there is the same amount of time in the second half as the first, then we can score three without having to get desparate and pass happy. We need to run Deuce...the whole game...a lot. Our game plan for Chicago was pathetic and we've been stuck on the same thing ever since. At the beginning of last year we ran Deuce in our first two games more than 10 times, even when Karney went out and we won. It's not a mystery.

09-17-2007, 03:01 PM	#10
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21. You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game. Actually, Deuce only ran the ball 10 times (again) and his average yards per run was 4.9 yards. So in theory, give it to him on 1st and 2nd down and you'll have less than a yard to go on 3rd down. This is, by the way, an example not a game plan.