It's Very Simple...Deuce

Papa Voodoo · 09-17-2007, 04:12 AM

We have played the same game since Chicago last year. Payton's pride is hurting us. We beat Philly by running Deuce. We lost to Chicago because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to the Colts because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to Tampa because we didn't run Deuce.

We're probably going to get spanked bad by the Titans because they actually run the football. We have one of the greatest backs in the game and since our coach is a "passing" coach his pride is making him force passing when all we need to do is run Deuce...not Reggie. running is a simpel way to build momentum. O lines can run block easier than pass block. We have Karney. There's no mystery to be solved.

It's not complicated. We don't suck. If we run Deuce a lot we will win a lot. If we don't we will relive the Chicago game all season and amount to nothing.

Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut?

New-Orleans-Saints-Gal · 09-17-2007, 06:23 AM

I couldn't agree more. It's also nice to read a message which states fact and not someone who is doing nothing more than throwing their hands up ready to give up.

While the first two games have ended in frustration, if you're a fan then you're a fan!!!!

darstep · 09-17-2007, 07:31 AM

Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth.

saintsfan1976 · 09-17-2007, 07:47 AM

Kenny Chesney likes passes.

WhoDat205 · 09-17-2007, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut?

Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21.

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

papz · 09-17-2007, 08:28 AM

Agreed WhoDat... we gave our backs plenty of chances in the first half. The game just got out of reach.

hagan714 · 09-17-2007, 08:41 AM

So much for that theory

QBREES9 · 09-17-2007, 08:47 AM

Give the ball to to DUCE, just plain and simple. play Reggie as a decoy

hagan714 · 09-17-2007, 08:52 AM

The decoy bit does not this year. no one is scared of him like last year. He gets shadowed like any other player but he is not freezing the defenses any more

neugey · 09-17-2007, 08:54 AM

Deuce got plenty of touches - that wasn't the problem. IMHO, We (ie. Payton and Brees) are focusing too much on outlet routes and the short passing game. Look at the stats. 16 pass attempts by Garcia for 243 yards versus 44 pass attempts by Brees for 266 yards.

We are not sending enough receivers down the field - Colston and Eric Johnson keep running 4 yard curl routes. Reggie keeps running that outlet valve route to the outside. This plays right into the hands of the cover 2 D. We need some seam routes and deep post and slant routes, and obviously, more go routes.

At the current rate, I'd get rid of a lot of these short patterns. Trust Drew to make the 10+ yard throws and get rid of the ball if the pass is not there to avoid the sack. Leave Karney or an extra TE in to block if necessary. Drew is a good decision maker and we need to play to his strengths. But we need more than 3 yard completions to show for it.

If we want to get cute w/ short passes, don't do it when there is 60-80+ yards of field in front of us. Make the defense honor the deep ball until the field is shortened. Stretch the D w/ the pass, then let Reggie and Deuce do their thing.

09-17-2007, 04:12 AM	#1
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	It's Very Simple...Deuce We have played the same game since Chicago last year. Payton's pride is hurting us. We beat Philly by running Deuce. We lost to Chicago because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to the Colts because we didn't run Deuce. We lost to Tampa because we didn't run Deuce. We're probably going to get spanked bad by the Titans because they actually run the football. We have one of the greatest backs in the game and since our coach is a "passing" coach his pride is making him force passing when all we need to do is run Deuce...not Reggie. running is a simpel way to build momentum. O lines can run block easier than pass block. We have Karney. There's no mystery to be solved. It's not complicated. We don't suck. If we run Deuce a lot we will win a lot. If we don't we will relive the Chicago game all season and amount to nothing. Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut?

09-17-2007, 06:23 AM	#2
New-Orleans-Saints-Gal Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan - Moving back to New Orleans Posts: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce I couldn't agree more. It's also nice to read a message which states fact and not someone who is doing nothing more than throwing their hands up ready to give up. While the first two games have ended in frustration, if you're a fan then you're a fan!!!!

09-17-2007, 07:31 AM	#3
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth.

09-17-2007, 07:47 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Kenny Chesney likes passes.

09-17-2007, 08:21 AM	#5
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Why do we do everything except run Deuce up the gut? Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21. You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

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09-17-2007, 08:28 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Agreed WhoDat... we gave our backs plenty of chances in the first half. The game just got out of reach.

09-17-2007, 08:41 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce So much for that theory

09-17-2007, 08:47 AM	#8
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Give the ball to to DUCE, just plain and simple. play Reggie as a decoy

09-17-2007, 08:52 AM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce The decoy bit does not this year. no one is scared of him like last year. He gets shadowed like any other player but he is not freezing the defenses any more

09-17-2007, 08:54 AM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,673 Blog Entries: 13	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Deuce got plenty of touches - that wasn't the problem. IMHO, We (ie. Payton and Brees) are focusing too much on outlet routes and the short passing game. Look at the stats. 16 pass attempts by Garcia for 243 yards versus 44 pass attempts by Brees for 266 yards. We are not sending enough receivers down the field - Colston and Eric Johnson keep running 4 yard curl routes. Reggie keeps running that outlet valve route to the outside. This plays right into the hands of the cover 2 D. We need some seam routes and deep post and slant routes, and obviously, more go routes. At the current rate, I'd get rid of a lot of these short patterns. Trust Drew to make the 10+ yard throws and get rid of the ball if the pass is not there to avoid the sack. Leave Karney or an extra TE in to block if necessary. Drew is a good decision maker and we need to play to his strengths. But we need more than 3 yard completions to show for it. If we want to get cute w/ short passes, don't do it when there is 60-80+ yards of field in front of us. Make the defense honor the deep ball until the field is shortened. Stretch the D w/ the pass, then let Reggie and Deuce do their thing.