It's Very Simple...Deuce

WhoDat205 · 09-17-2007, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Give the ball to to DUCE, just plain and simple. play Reggie as a decoy

To paraphrase Yoda: 3.0 YPC does not a decoy make.

andersen · 09-17-2007, 10:04 AM

The thing we are forgetting is the poor overall play of the OFFENSIVE line. Drew has been pressured into dumping instead of stepping into his passes. He has lost confindence in his deep threat (DH), and now his horses are dropping the ball during running plays. I do think more Deuce will help keep pressure off of him (if the score isn't 21-0) by that time.

cadilacin · 09-17-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

Thank You WhoDat. I'm tired of all these Katz thinking that the only answer is..."RUN DEUCE". Deuce ran pretty good early, and his fumble started the momentum for Tampa. We do need to run, but more importantly we need better and smarter play from (like HAGAN has been saying) the OL and DL. And we need Sean Payton to call ONE GOOD GAME!

I still think we're fine. One game down in the division aint bad. Not Superbowl contenders yet, because The Might Pats look Awesome...But we can get there...

Cruize · 09-17-2007, 10:39 AM

Throw in the fact, no pun intended, that Brees is off in his throwing and decision making and it's all the more reason to load up with the run.

Papa Voodoo · 09-17-2007, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21.

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

That's exactly my point. Deuce is a hammer back. He is supposed to pound opposing defenses and set up play action. With a pounding RB the D gets worn down and huge offensive plays open up from the running game. Running is also easier than throwing and can help a struggling team get in rthythm.

Being down by 3 TDs is not a reason to abandon the run in the second half. You come out pounding and get some points and momentum. Then work from there. It also keeps opposing defenses off the field, even when you are down so they can't score as often. If they can score 3 TDs in the first half and there is the same amount of time in the second half as the first, then we can score three without having to get desparate and pass happy.

We need to run Deuce...the whole game...a lot. Our game plan for Chicago was pathetic and we've been stuck on the same thing ever since.

At the beginning of last year we ran Deuce in our first two games more than 10 times, even when Karney went out and we won. It's not a mystery.

jolamo · 09-17-2007, 01:59 PM

While I agree that we got away from Deuce running the ball early. The Saints didn't protect the ball(3 fumbles in the 1st 3 series) 2 recovered by the Saints and one by the Bucs. The one thing that stood out was how hard the hits by the Bucs were and and how they attacked the ball.

FatiusJeebs · 09-17-2007, 02:06 PM

We also need a new kicker. We hated him in Miami....of all the moves we made this off-season.....this was the one that REALLY made me KRINGE!!!

WhoDat205 · 09-17-2007, 02:12 PM

First off, the Saints had 1 drive in the 3rd before it was 28-0, and they looked like they might actually move the ball, personal foul penalty, interception, ball game.

Second - and I may not have seen this correctly - Deuce was sidelined with the eye thing in the second half.

iceshack149 · 09-17-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21.

You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game.

Actually, Deuce only ran the ball 10 times (again) and his average yards per run was 4.9 yards. So in theory, give it to him on 1st and 2nd down and you'll have less than a yard to go on 3rd down. This is, by the way, an example not a game plan.

lumm0x · 09-17-2007, 04:14 PM

More factors to our losses than simply a lack of running behind the plow horse. We have coughed up huge turnovers for points, been burned at will with big plays in the passing game, cannot seem to generate a decent pass rush, cannot pass block effectively, receivers are not getting seperation on mid to deep routes, etc. It's an overall lack of execution on the players part that is throwing a wrench in the initial game plan.

Only one person has impressed me in these 2 games and unfortunately it's the punter Weatherford. He's been sharp.

09-17-2007, 09:59 AM	#11
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by QBREES9 Give the ball to to DUCE, just plain and simple. play Reggie as a decoy To paraphrase Yoda: 3.0 YPC does not a decoy make.

09-17-2007, 10:04 AM	#12
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce The thing we are forgetting is the poor overall play of the OFFENSIVE line. Drew has been pressured into dumping instead of stepping into his passes. He has lost confindence in his deep threat (DH), and now his horses are dropping the ball during running plays. I do think more Deuce will help keep pressure off of him (if the score isn't 21-0) by that time.

09-17-2007, 10:23 AM	#13
cadilacin "Real Talk" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 148	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by WhoDat205 You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game. Thank You WhoDat. I'm tired of all these Katz thinking that the only answer is..."RUN DEUCE". Deuce ran pretty good early, and his fumble started the momentum for Tampa. We do need to run, but more importantly we need better and smarter play from (like HAGAN has been saying) the OL and DL. And we need Sean Payton to call ONE GOOD GAME! I still think we're fine. One game down in the division aint bad. Not Superbowl contenders yet, because The Might Pats look Awesome...But we can get there...

09-17-2007, 10:39 AM	#14
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Throw in the fact, no pun intended, that Brees is off in his throwing and decision making and it's all the more reason to load up with the run.
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09-17-2007, 01:39 PM	#15
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21. You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game. That's exactly my point. Deuce is a hammer back. He is supposed to pound opposing defenses and set up play action. With a pounding RB the D gets worn down and huge offensive plays open up from the running game. Running is also easier than throwing and can help a struggling team get in rthythm. Being down by 3 TDs is not a reason to abandon the run in the second half. You come out pounding and get some points and momentum. Then work from there. It also keeps opposing defenses off the field, even when you are down so they can't score as often. If they can score 3 TDs in the first half and there is the same amount of time in the second half as the first, then we can score three without having to get desparate and pass happy. We need to run Deuce...the whole game...a lot. Our game plan for Chicago was pathetic and we've been stuck on the same thing ever since. At the beginning of last year we ran Deuce in our first two games more than 10 times, even when Karney went out and we won. It's not a mystery.

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jolamo Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce While I agree that we got away from Deuce running the ball early. The Saints didn't protect the ball(3 fumbles in the 1st 3 series) 2 recovered by the Saints and one by the Bucs. The one thing that stood out was how hard the hits by the Bucs were and and how they attacked the ball.
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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce We also need a new kicker. We hated him in Miami....of all the moves we made this off-season.....this was the one that REALLY made me KRINGE!!!
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09-17-2007, 02:12 PM	#18
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce First off, the Saints had 1 drive in the 3rd before it was 28-0, and they looked like they might actually move the ball, personal foul penalty, interception, ball game. Second - and I may not have seen this correctly - Deuce was sidelined with the eye thing in the second half.

09-17-2007, 04:01 PM	#19
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Papa, Deuce got 10 carries in the first half. The Saints didn't score and Tampa went up 21. You could make the Deuce argument last game, but not in this game. Actually, Deuce only ran the ball 10 times (again) and his average yards per run was 4.9 yards. So in theory, give it to him on 1st and 2nd down and you'll have less than a yard to go on 3rd down. This is, by the way, an example not a game plan.

09-17-2007, 04:14 PM	#20
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce More factors to our losses than simply a lack of running behind the plow horse. We have coughed up huge turnovers for points, been burned at will with big plays in the passing game, cannot seem to generate a decent pass rush, cannot pass block effectively, receivers are not getting seperation on mid to deep routes, etc. It's an overall lack of execution on the players part that is throwing a wrench in the initial game plan. Only one person has impressed me in these 2 games and unfortunately it's the punter Weatherford. He's been sharp.