It's Very Simple...Deuce

darstep · 09-17-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Stretch the D w/ the pass, then let Reggie and Deuce do their thing.

You've got it backwards neugey - Our run will set up the pass! Make defenses have to load the box to stop the 4-5 yard pops, then everything works. The pass rush has to pause on the play action...they are on their heals anyway if we are running effectively...Brees can plant his feet and throw...wide outs will get more man coverage. With Duece and Karney the blocks don't even have to be good blocks - just stand the defender up - arm tackles won't work. Cadillac had 24 carries for 61 yards yesterday. If Duece got 24 carries he would have had 117(4.9 per). I will keep saying/writing it until Sean proves to me that it won't work. The NUMBERS have shown ....................and will show.............that it works!

BIGEASY504 · 09-17-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth.

This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504

This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen

Doesn't matter if we score 40 points a game... if our opponets are allowed to score 41... we lose. Its basic math. Our D can't stop my grandmother. That puts to much pressure on our O and we can't do the things we need to do on O if our D is so horrific.

rich006 · 09-18-2007, 09:54 PM

I laugh when I see the stats that say when so-and-so gets over 100 yards/30 carries, Team X wins every time. Anyone stop to think the team was running to protect a lead? Running doesn't cause winning, winning causes running. Sure it's great if you can come out and pound the ball on the ground, but in the NFL that's pretty hard to do. Sometimes you have to pass to set up the run. That's why coaches have game plans instead of just saying, "today we will run the ball and stop the run."

spkb25 · 09-18-2007, 10:13 PM

yeah stopping the run and running the ball do seem like good places to start. that is how most teams win. kinda like indy in the playoffs last year. maybe i am wrong. no no that is a good place to start for any team. those two things seem to be gained by your offensive and defensive lines dominating the game. yes that is where games are won and loss, the trenches.

our problems seem to be poor o-line play, rec. not open or not catching the ball, fumbles, oh and that thing- the long ball which we can not stop. right now we stink. i for one am upset at this team. i am so tired of them saying we will get this fixed. well then get it fixed already cause watching you is making me frikan sick

they are laying down out there and it is drivign me crazy. if your goign to lose play hard please. i can except that. come out like this each week makes me sick

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by rich006

I laugh when I see the stats that say when so-and-so gets over 100 yards/30 carries, Team X wins every time. Anyone stop to think the team was running to protect a lead? Running doesn't cause winning, winning causes running. Sure it's great if you can come out and pound the ball on the ground, but in the NFL that's pretty hard to do. Sometimes you have to pass to set up the run. That's why coaches have game plans instead of just saying, "today we will run the ball and stop the run."

Dude I think you are the smartest man to be on this forum today aside from myself of course. I have been preaching forever now... you can't run the ball if you are getting your butt handed to you.

SapperSaint · 09-19-2007, 08:45 AM

Like I said yesterday......you pass to get the lead, you run to keep it.

This works if you have a defense.

Papa Voodoo · 09-19-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Like I said yesterday......you pass to get the lead, you run to keep it.

This works if you have a defense.

You Pass to Score...You run to Win

missrebels2010 · 09-19-2007, 12:26 PM

if they would run deuce more than they run reggie than we would win more..... because reggie almost as many yards,as he gains and he has a big problem holdin on to the ball......... and duece never fumbles....... but everyone including the coaches are stuck so far up reggies but thats all they want is reggie........ but if you really look at it in the games were duece get a fair share of touches thats the games that the saints when...... because the d-fence can stop reggie and cover wide outs...... but if you give them a steady dose of #26 then thorw it to the wide outs or to reggie.... then you will get some where..... the saint have got to pound it and pound then to do the big plays.......

SapperSaint · 09-19-2007, 01:28 PM

I guess only a few of us understand the fact that if your defense CAN NOT STOP THE OTHER TEAM FROM SCORING...........running the ball does not help you win. It runs time off the clock.

09-17-2007, 03:19 PM	#21
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by neugey Stretch the D w/ the pass, then let Reggie and Deuce do their thing. You've got it backwards neugey - Our run will set up the pass! Make defenses have to load the box to stop the 4-5 yard pops, then everything works. The pass rush has to pause on the play action...they are on their heals anyway if we are running effectively...Brees can plant his feet and throw...wide outs will get more man coverage. With Duece and Karney the blocks don't even have to be good blocks - just stand the defender up - arm tackles won't work. Cadillac had 24 carries for 61 yards yesterday. If Duece got 24 carries he would have had 117(4.9 per). I will keep saying/writing it until Sean proves to me that it won't work. The NUMBERS have shown ....................and will show.............that it works!
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09-17-2007, 03:50 PM	#22
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by darstep Peyton seems to have a one track mind it's on the wrong track. In 4 of the 6 losses last year, Brees threw for +-400 yards and we still lost. Where Duece gets 100 we win. Why can't they see that? I know that their statistician has those details. Duece and Karney are both at 4-5 yards per carry. Stop the dinkiin-dunkin and dancin and let's start busting some people in the mouth. This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen
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09-18-2007, 01:18 PM	#23
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 This is so true, but until Peyton and Co realize Bush is not the featured back than this will NOT happen Doesn't matter if we score 40 points a game... if our opponets are allowed to score 41... we lose. Its basic math. Our D can't stop my grandmother. That puts to much pressure on our O and we can't do the things we need to do on O if our D is so horrific.

09-18-2007, 09:54 PM	#24
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce I laugh when I see the stats that say when so-and-so gets over 100 yards/30 carries, Team X wins every time. Anyone stop to think the team was running to protect a lead? Running doesn't cause winning, winning causes running. Sure it's great if you can come out and pound the ball on the ground, but in the NFL that's pretty hard to do. Sometimes you have to pass to set up the run. That's why coaches have game plans instead of just saying, "today we will run the ball and stop the run."
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09-18-2007, 10:13 PM	#25
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce yeah stopping the run and running the ball do seem like good places to start. that is how most teams win. kinda like indy in the playoffs last year. maybe i am wrong. no no that is a good place to start for any team. those two things seem to be gained by your offensive and defensive lines dominating the game. yes that is where games are won and loss, the trenches. our problems seem to be poor o-line play, rec. not open or not catching the ball, fumbles, oh and that thing- the long ball which we can not stop. right now we stink. i for one am upset at this team. i am so tired of them saying we will get this fixed. well then get it fixed already cause watching you is making me frikan sick they are laying down out there and it is drivign me crazy. if your goign to lose play hard please. i can except that. come out like this each week makes me sick
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09-18-2007, 11:03 PM	#26
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by rich006 I laugh when I see the stats that say when so-and-so gets over 100 yards/30 carries, Team X wins every time. Anyone stop to think the team was running to protect a lead? Running doesn't cause winning, winning causes running. Sure it's great if you can come out and pound the ball on the ground, but in the NFL that's pretty hard to do. Sometimes you have to pass to set up the run. That's why coaches have game plans instead of just saying, "today we will run the ball and stop the run." Dude I think you are the smartest man to be on this forum today aside from myself of course. I have been preaching forever now... you can't run the ball if you are getting your butt handed to you.

09-19-2007, 08:45 AM	#27
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Like I said yesterday......you pass to get the lead, you run to keep it. This works if you have a defense.

09-19-2007, 12:10 PM	#28
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce Originally Posted by SapperSaint Like I said yesterday......you pass to get the lead, you run to keep it. This works if you have a defense. You Pass to Score...You run to Win

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missrebels2010 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gautier Mississippi Posts: 5	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce if they would run deuce more than they run reggie than we would win more..... because reggie almost as many yards,as he gains and he has a big problem holdin on to the ball......... and duece never fumbles....... but everyone including the coaches are stuck so far up reggies but thats all they want is reggie........ but if you really look at it in the games were duece get a fair share of touches thats the games that the saints when...... because the d-fence can stop reggie and cover wide outs...... but if you give them a steady dose of #26 then thorw it to the wide outs or to reggie.... then you will get some where..... the saint have got to pound it and pound then to do the big plays.......

09-19-2007, 01:28 PM	#30
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce I guess only a few of us understand the fact that if your defense CAN NOT STOP THE OTHER TEAM FROM SCORING...........running the ball does not help you win. It runs time off the clock.