Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich?

QBREES9 · 09-29-2007, 11:32 PM

good GOD he's no Mandarich

CheramieIII · 09-30-2007, 10:47 AM

Yes and I am making a big assumption in saying that the Houston Texans are glad they past on him.

frankeefrank · 09-30-2007, 12:49 PM

wow, you're going to give Leinart "time to develop" and you've already declared REggie a mistake?

Tiki Barber said it took him 4 years to figure out the NFL.

My point was, AZ and NE have taken teh same path in the draft with far different results.
Why?
Since you can't figure it out, I will tell you.
You need impact players in crucial positions.
Not just on the line.
You don't pass these players up b/c you think there is a formula.
A formula which I have proved does not work.

frankeefrank · 09-30-2007, 12:50 PM

You take AZ, I will take NO and see who has more wins at the end of the year.

Euphoria · 09-30-2007, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

wow, you're going to give Leinart "time to develop" and you've already declared REggie a mistake?

Tiki Barber said it took him 4 years to figure out the NFL.

My point was, AZ and NE have taken teh same path in the draft with far different results.
Why?
Since you can't figure it out, I will tell you.
You need impact players in crucial positions.
Not just on the line.
You don't pass these players up b/c you think there is a formula.
A formula which I have proved does not work.

I love it when **** put words in my mouth. I didn't say Reggie is a mistake I am saying he was the wrong pick for us!!!

LongTimeFan · 09-30-2007, 09:19 PM

IMO Bush isn't the problem in N.O, I just don't know why their in the position their in right now, the entire them is just bogged down and no one can winch them out but themselves.

WhoDat205 · 10-01-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I love it when **** put words in my mouth. I didn't say Reggie is a mistake I am saying he was the wrong pick for us!!!

You can honestly say that Reggie Bush was the wrong pick? We're you saying that during the draft? I don't think you thought that comment through.

Previous #2's:
06 - Reggie Bush (11TDs in career)
05 - Ronnie Brown (14TDs in career)
04 - Robert Gallery (No PBs, Moved to G from T)
03 - Charles Rogers (Currently a Free Agent)
02 - Julius Peppers (Exception)
01 - Leonard Davis (No PBs, Moved to G from T)
00 - Lavar Arrington ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia)
99 - Donovan McNabb (Exception)
98 - Ryan Leaf ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia)
97 - Darrell Russell (Banned from league in 01, Died in car crash 12/15/05)

If those ten guys were being drafted today, who would you take above Reggie right now? Peppers? Maybe McNabb? Remember that Reggie is on pace for 10-11 TDs right now and has been splitting carries. Given the track record of #2 picks, I would say that Reggie is a blessing. That's not even counting the exposure the team gets for having him on the field.

Another thing: who are you guys blasting for bad drafts? It's Payton's second season and at last count 4 rookies have started and made impacts with a probability of a fifth this week.

vador101 · 10-01-2007, 10:29 AM

Bush suck's, he is not a RB, you guys or just trying to justify all that Bush gear you bought, i don't see peterson for the vinkings with this promblem ????? if you can't play your possion in the nfl then you don't have a job !!!! the team waisting to much time to find plays for him, its going to be the same thing that atl went through with vick, let change the hole offence for Bush !!!!!!!!!, how about plan your possion Bush.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-01-2007, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by vador101

Bush suck's, he is not a RB, you guys or just trying to justify all that Bush gear you bought, i don't see peterson for the vinkings with this promblem ????? if you can't play your possion in the nfl then you don't have a job !!!! the team waisting to much time to find plays for him, its going to be the same thing that atl went through with vick, let change the hole offence for Bush !!!!!!!!!, how about plan your possion Bush.

It looks like I'm going to have to defend Bush here.

BTW the word is spelled position.

Bush has done what he's been asked to do. For the 21 games of his career so far he has been asked to be the X factor the offense. Payton has deliberately put him all over the field.

He has done well in that position. The offense was doing well last season because defenses had to account for his X factor. The kid caught 88 balls and scored 9 TDs.

At the end of last season he was running better too. He has a 100 YD game against the Giants.

Now flip the page. This season the offense has been a total and complete flop. Bush has contributed to this by putting the ball on the carpet. But Deuce, Brees, the line, the receivers, the coaches have also contributed to this collapse. Hell even the water boy is at fault at this point.

The guy isn't LJ, Steven Jackson, Gore, or Deuce. He may grow into what Barber, LT, Westbrook, or Dunn have become over the last several seasons. But it hasn't been what he's been asked to do up until now.

He does have the level of talent that revamping an offense for him is required. 3 yards and a cloud of dust wastes his skills.

So I just want to be sure that you're saying that getting the ball 25 times a game between the tackles is the only requirement for being a RB in the NFL?

Personally if I'm Coach Payton I ignore the naysayers and keep using Bush the way I've been using him. Put him in the slot. Bring him around the edge. Run bubble screens, slants, and wheels for the guy. Isolate him in space on LBs and safeties that can't keep up.

That utilizes his talent.

BTW of course until the offense gets back to the fundamentals of blocking, catching, and not turning over the ball, it's all moot anyway.

SFIAH

Euphoria · 10-01-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

wow, you're going to give Leinart "time to develop" and you've already declared REggie a mistake?

Tiki Barber said it took him 4 years to figure out the NFL.

My point was, AZ and NE have taken teh same path in the draft with far different results.
Why?
Since you can't figure it out, I will tell you.
You need impact players in crucial positions.
Not just on the line.
You don't pass these players up b/c you think there is a formula.
A formula which I have proved does not work.

Ya see what AZ did to Pitt???

09-29-2007, 11:32 PM	#11
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? good GOD he's no Mandarich

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frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? wow, you're going to give Leinart "time to develop" and you've already declared REggie a mistake? Tiki Barber said it took him 4 years to figure out the NFL. My point was, AZ and NE have taken teh same path in the draft with far different results. Why? Since you can't figure it out, I will tell you. You need impact players in crucial positions. Not just on the line. You don't pass these players up b/c you think there is a formula. A formula which I have proved does not work.
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09-30-2007, 07:08 PM	#15
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WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by Euphoria I love it when **** put words in my mouth. I didn't say Reggie is a mistake I am saying he was the wrong pick for us!!! You can honestly say that Reggie Bush was the wrong pick? We're you saying that during the draft? I don't think you thought that comment through. Previous #2's: 06 - Reggie Bush (11TDs in career) 05 - Ronnie Brown (14TDs in career) 04 - Robert Gallery (No PBs, Moved to G from T) 03 - Charles Rogers (Currently a Free Agent) 02 - Julius Peppers (Exception) 01 - Leonard Davis (No PBs, Moved to G from T) 00 - Lavar Arrington ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia) 99 - Donovan McNabb (Exception) 98 - Ryan Leaf ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia) 97 - Darrell Russell (Banned from league in 01, Died in car crash 12/15/05) If those ten guys were being drafted today, who would you take above Reggie right now? Peppers? Maybe McNabb? Remember that Reggie is on pace for 10-11 TDs right now and has been splitting carries. Given the track record of #2 picks, I would say that Reggie is a blessing. That's not even counting the exposure the team gets for having him on the field. Another thing: who are you guys blasting for bad drafts? It's Payton's second season and at last count 4 rookies have started and made impacts with a probability of a fifth this week.
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10-01-2007, 12:09 PM	#19
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by vador101 Bush suck's, he is not a RB, you guys or just trying to justify all that Bush gear you bought, i don't see peterson for the vinkings with this promblem ????? if you can't play your possion in the nfl then you don't have a job !!!! the team waisting to much time to find plays for him, its going to be the same thing that atl went through with vick, let change the hole offence for Bush !!!!!!!!!, how about plan your possion Bush. It looks like I'm going to have to defend Bush here. BTW the word is spelled position. Bush has done what he's been asked to do. For the 21 games of his career so far he has been asked to be the X factor the offense. Payton has deliberately put him all over the field. He has done well in that position. The offense was doing well last season because defenses had to account for his X factor. The kid caught 88 balls and scored 9 TDs. At the end of last season he was running better too. He has a 100 YD game against the Giants. Now flip the page. This season the offense has been a total and complete flop. Bush has contributed to this by putting the ball on the carpet. But Deuce, Brees, the line, the receivers, the coaches have also contributed to this collapse. Hell even the water boy is at fault at this point. The guy isn't LJ, Steven Jackson, Gore, or Deuce. He may grow into what Barber, LT, Westbrook, or Dunn have become over the last several seasons. But it hasn't been what he's been asked to do up until now. He does have the level of talent that revamping an offense for him is required. 3 yards and a cloud of dust wastes his skills. So I just want to be sure that you're saying that getting the ball 25 times a game between the tackles is the only requirement for being a RB in the NFL? Personally if I'm Coach Payton I ignore the naysayers and keep using Bush the way I've been using him. Put him in the slot. Bring him around the edge. Run bubble screens, slants, and wheels for the guy. Isolate him in space on LBs and safeties that can't keep up. That utilizes his talent. BTW of course until the offense gets back to the fundamentals of blocking, catching, and not turning over the ball, it's all moot anyway. SFIAH
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10-01-2007, 12:57 PM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by frankeefrank wow, you're going to give Leinart "time to develop" and you've already declared REggie a mistake? Tiki Barber said it took him 4 years to figure out the NFL. My point was, AZ and NE have taken teh same path in the draft with far different results. Why? Since you can't figure it out, I will tell you. You need impact players in crucial positions. Not just on the line. You don't pass these players up b/c you think there is a formula. A formula which I have proved does not work. Ya see what AZ did to Pitt???