Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich?

Euphoria · 10-01-2007, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

You can honestly say that Reggie Bush was the wrong pick? We're you saying that during the draft? I don't think you thought that comment through.

Previous #2's:
06 - Reggie Bush (11TDs in career)
05 - Ronnie Brown (14TDs in career)
04 - Robert Gallery (No PBs, Moved to G from T)
03 - Charles Rogers (Currently a Free Agent)
02 - Julius Peppers (Exception)
01 - Leonard Davis (No PBs, Moved to G from T)
00 - Lavar Arrington ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia)
99 - Donovan McNabb (Exception)
98 - Ryan Leaf ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia)
97 - Darrell Russell (Banned from league in 01, Died in car crash 12/15/05)

If those ten guys were being drafted today, who would you take above Reggie right now? Peppers? Maybe McNabb? Remember that Reggie is on pace for 10-11 TDs right now and has been splitting carries. Given the track record of #2 picks, I would say that Reggie is a blessing. That's not even counting the exposure the team gets for having him on the field.

Another thing: who are you guys blasting for bad drafts? It's Payton's second season and at last count 4 rookies have started and made impacts with a probability of a fifth this week.

Yes IN FACT I DID say that before the draft during and NOW. Brick should have been our pick. To fix this team from the ground up not just a quick fix that isn't going to last very long.

WhoDat205 · 10-01-2007, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Hey Vador, first and foremost, get to an English class STAT! I won't even dignify your post with a reasonable, concious thought. You learn how to speak English or write it for that matter, and I might just give you a response.

It's "conscious", not concious.

DeadmaN · 10-01-2007, 04:57 PM

Tony Mandarich?

I would not go that far

lets look at this from an objective point
Bush is not having a grate season due to the lack of affective blocking not because he is a flop
come on the few times he did get some blocks up front he moved the ball well

I think that the Reggie bashing is getting out of hand

JOESAM2002 · 10-01-2007, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

It's "conscious", not concious.

Seems to me there are quite a few that skip'd their english class.

DeadmaN · 10-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by DeadmaN

Tony Mandarich?

I would not go that far

lets look at this from an objective point
Bush is not having a grate season due to the lack of affective blocking not because he is a flop
come on the few times he did get some blocks up front he moved the ball well

I think that the Reggie bashing is getting out of hand

sorry I had an after thought...
lets look at LT and the bolts
they are having a bad start to there season and you don't here people saying crap like this about him

boy I am getting pissed with these 2 faced, no good piece of $&!+ reporters

Euphoria · 10-01-2007, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by DeadmaN

Tony Mandarich?

I would not go that far

lets look at this from an objective point
Bush is not having a grate season due to the lack of affective blocking not because he is a flop
come on the few times he did get some blocks up front he moved the ball well

I think that the Reggie bashing is getting out of hand

TOTALLY agree!!! Not to mention the morons who like to read only what they wanted to read.

darstep · 10-01-2007, 11:35 PM

If somehow Reggie starts to come into his own this season, the same schmucks would be singing his praise to sell papers and magazines. When they run out of things to write, they start inventing stories and slinging "What if's". Reggie is a good player and we are better for having him among our crew. Since we lost Duece we are going to see a lot more of what he can do. If we lead him with Karney he's going to break a few...and make a lot of people take notice.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-02-2007, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Yes IN FACT I DID say that before the draft during and NOW. Brick should have been our pick. To fix this team from the ground up not just a quick fix that isn't going to last very long.

Euph,

While I generally agree that drafting big uglies is a good idea, I have to respectfully disagree here. Reggie eventually will grade out to that once a decade skill player that you cannot afford to pass up. While I certainly would have picked DaBrick over SuperMario, when Reggie became available he was by far the best player in the draft.

Now Meachem is a completely different story. That's the kind of pick you use to upgrade the line. Dude is a complete waste for at least 2 years.

SFIAH

Euphoria · 10-02-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Euph,

While I generally agree that drafting big uglies is a good idea, I have to respectfully disagree here. Reggie eventually will grade out to that once a decade skill player that you cannot afford to pass up. While I certainly would have picked DaBrick over SuperMario, when Reggie became available he was by far the best player in the draft.

Now Meachem is a completely different story. That's the kind of pick you use to upgrade the line. Dude is a complete waste for at least 2 years.

SFIAH

I'll have to disagree about the best player in the draft. He maybe the best roleplayer... but not best football player, not even best player. He wasn't rookie of the year... and has barely kept us above .500 as far as the regular season goes, since he has been in a Saints uniform.

At least with Da Brink you are getting a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-02-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It looks like I'm going to have to defend Bush here.

BTW the word is spelled position.

Bush has done what he's been asked to do. For the 21 games of his career so far he has been asked to be the X factor the offense. Payton has deliberately put him all over the field.

He has done well in that position. The offense was doing well last season because defenses had to account for his X factor. The kid caught 88 balls and scored 9 TDs.

At the end of last season he was running better too. He has a 100 YD game against the Giants.

Now flip the page. This season the offense has been a total and complete flop. Bush has contributed to this by putting the ball on the carpet. But Deuce, Brees, the line, the receivers, the coaches have also contributed to this collapse. Hell even the water boy is at fault at this point.

The guy isn't LJ, Steven Jackson, Gore, or Deuce. He may grow into what Barber, LT, Westbrook, or Dunn have become over the last several seasons. But it hasn't been what he's been asked to do up until now.

He does have the level of talent that revamping an offense for him is required. 3 yards and a cloud of dust wastes his skills.

So I just want to be sure that you're saying that getting the ball 25 times a game between the tackles is the only requirement for being a RB in the NFL?

Personally if I'm Coach Payton I ignore the naysayers and keep using Bush the way I've been using him. Put him in the slot. Bring him around the edge. Run bubble screens, slants, and wheels for the guy. Isolate him in space on LBs and safeties that can't keep up.

That utilizes his talent.

BTW of course until the offense gets back to the fundamentals of blocking, catching, and not turning over the ball, it's all moot anyway.

SFIAH

The ONLY ONLY concern I have about Reggie Bush is that I believe that he is TOO SMALL and TOO LIGHT to be a great playmaker on Offense. I may be wrong about this . . .I hope I am.

Yes, Reggie looks a little rough around the edges at times BECAUSE HE IS STILL YOUNG. He can get smarter and more experience, but, can he put on more muscle and size?

10-01-2007, 12:59 PM	#21
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by WhoDat205 You can honestly say that Reggie Bush was the wrong pick? We're you saying that during the draft? I don't think you thought that comment through. Previous #2's: 06 - Reggie Bush (11TDs in career) 05 - Ronnie Brown (14TDs in career) 04 - Robert Gallery (No PBs, Moved to G from T) 03 - Charles Rogers (Currently a Free Agent) 02 - Julius Peppers (Exception) 01 - Leonard Davis (No PBs, Moved to G from T) 00 - Lavar Arrington ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia) 99 - Donovan McNabb (Exception) 98 - Ryan Leaf ("former professional FB player" - Wikipedia) 97 - Darrell Russell (Banned from league in 01, Died in car crash 12/15/05) If those ten guys were being drafted today, who would you take above Reggie right now? Peppers? Maybe McNabb? Remember that Reggie is on pace for 10-11 TDs right now and has been splitting carries. Given the track record of #2 picks, I would say that Reggie is a blessing. That's not even counting the exposure the team gets for having him on the field. Another thing: who are you guys blasting for bad drafts? It's Payton's second season and at last count 4 rookies have started and made impacts with a probability of a fifth this week. Yes IN FACT I DID say that before the draft during and NOW. Brick should have been our pick. To fix this team from the ground up not just a quick fix that isn't going to last very long.

10-01-2007, 01:01 PM	#22
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by saintsmissile Hey Vador, first and foremost, get to an English class STAT! I won't even dignify your post with a reasonable, concious thought. You learn how to speak English or write it for that matter, and I might just give you a response. It's "conscious", not concious.

10-01-2007, 04:57 PM	#23
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Tony Mandarich? I would not go that far lets look at this from an objective point Bush is not having a grate season due to the lack of affective blocking not because he is a flop come on the few times he did get some blocks up front he moved the ball well I think that the Reggie bashing is getting out of hand

10-01-2007, 05:17 PM	#24
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by WhoDat205 It's "conscious", not concious. Seems to me there are quite a few that skip'd their english class.

10-01-2007, 05:22 PM	#25
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by DeadmaN Tony Mandarich? I would not go that far lets look at this from an objective point Bush is not having a grate season due to the lack of affective blocking not because he is a flop come on the few times he did get some blocks up front he moved the ball well I think that the Reggie bashing is getting out of hand sorry I had an after thought... lets look at LT and the bolts they are having a bad start to there season and you don't here people saying crap like this about him boy I am getting pissed with these 2 faced, no good piece of $&!+ reporters

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10-01-2007, 08:29 PM	#26
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by DeadmaN Tony Mandarich? I would not go that far lets look at this from an objective point Bush is not having a grate season due to the lack of affective blocking not because he is a flop come on the few times he did get some blocks up front he moved the ball well I think that the Reggie bashing is getting out of hand TOTALLY agree!!! Not to mention the morons who like to read only what they wanted to read.

10-01-2007, 11:35 PM	#27
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? If somehow Reggie starts to come into his own this season, the same schmucks would be singing his praise to sell papers and magazines. When they run out of things to write, they start inventing stories and slinging "What if's". Reggie is a good player and we are better for having him among our crew. Since we lost Duece we are going to see a lot more of what he can do. If we lead him with Karney he's going to break a few...and make a lot of people take notice.

10-02-2007, 07:51 AM	#28
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by Euphoria Yes IN FACT I DID say that before the draft during and NOW. Brick should have been our pick. To fix this team from the ground up not just a quick fix that isn't going to last very long. Euph, While I generally agree that drafting big uglies is a good idea, I have to respectfully disagree here. Reggie eventually will grade out to that once a decade skill player that you cannot afford to pass up. While I certainly would have picked DaBrick over SuperMario, when Reggie became available he was by far the best player in the draft. Now Meachem is a completely different story. That's the kind of pick you use to upgrade the line. Dude is a complete waste for at least 2 years. SFIAH

10-02-2007, 03:46 PM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Euph, While I generally agree that drafting big uglies is a good idea, I have to respectfully disagree here. Reggie eventually will grade out to that once a decade skill player that you cannot afford to pass up. While I certainly would have picked DaBrick over SuperMario, when Reggie became available he was by far the best player in the draft. Now Meachem is a completely different story. That's the kind of pick you use to upgrade the line. Dude is a complete waste for at least 2 years. SFIAH I'll have to disagree about the best player in the draft. He maybe the best roleplayer... but not best football player, not even best player. He wasn't rookie of the year... and has barely kept us above .500 as far as the regular season goes, since he has been in a Saints uniform. At least with Da Brink you are getting a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

10-02-2007, 07:15 PM	#30
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It looks like I'm going to have to defend Bush here. BTW the word is spelled position. Bush has done what he's been asked to do. For the 21 games of his career so far he has been asked to be the X factor the offense. Payton has deliberately put him all over the field. He has done well in that position. The offense was doing well last season because defenses had to account for his X factor. The kid caught 88 balls and scored 9 TDs. At the end of last season he was running better too. He has a 100 YD game against the Giants. Now flip the page. This season the offense has been a total and complete flop. Bush has contributed to this by putting the ball on the carpet. But Deuce, Brees, the line, the receivers, the coaches have also contributed to this collapse. Hell even the water boy is at fault at this point. The guy isn't LJ, Steven Jackson, Gore, or Deuce. He may grow into what Barber, LT, Westbrook, or Dunn have become over the last several seasons. But it hasn't been what he's been asked to do up until now. He does have the level of talent that revamping an offense for him is required. 3 yards and a cloud of dust wastes his skills. So I just want to be sure that you're saying that getting the ball 25 times a game between the tackles is the only requirement for being a RB in the NFL? Personally if I'm Coach Payton I ignore the naysayers and keep using Bush the way I've been using him. Put him in the slot. Bring him around the edge. Run bubble screens, slants, and wheels for the guy. Isolate him in space on LBs and safeties that can't keep up. That utilizes his talent. BTW of course until the offense gets back to the fundamentals of blocking, catching, and not turning over the ball, it's all moot anyway. SFIAH The ONLY ONLY concern I have about Reggie Bush is that I believe that he is TOO SMALL and TOO LIGHT to be a great playmaker on Offense. I may be wrong about this . . .I hope I am. Yes, Reggie looks a little rough around the edges at times BECAUSE HE IS STILL YOUNG. He can get smarter and more experience, but, can he put on more muscle and size?