Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

"Statistics are for losers." Vince Lombardi

Such a perfect quote. If you recall last year we didn't post stats when we were winning but now that we are back to reality we post stats. -interesting. Lombardi and Berra 2 greatest quote makers of all time.

lumm0x · 10-11-2007, 12:21 PM

Another spin on our statistics is how much of our offensive yardage was gained when the game was out of hand already? We'd be held stiff for 3 straight quarters only to be allowed to dink and dunk it down the field when the defense was playing a deep blanket to keep everything in front of them.

I agree, the stats that tell the story are the turnover ratio, the big plays against us and our record. Until we can stop turning the ball over and preventing the 25+ yard plays we will continue to see that record get worse.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 03:00 PM

Even the turn over ratio traditionally been a good indication of who won but that Dallas-Buffalo on Monday night is a good step at starting to dispell that notion as well.

Good Defense and good O-Line can make up for mistakes FAST.

The whole notiong of basing a Defense on the principal of "bend don't break style" is crap. Needs to be scrapped.

saintswhodi · 10-12-2007, 09:29 AM

I think that's an incorrect statement. The Dallas-Buffalo game was an anomoly. You won't find many 6-2 turnover games ending with the winning team having the 6 turnovers, if any. And by all rights, Buffalo should have won. Poor coaching at the end did them in. also, the fact they only scored 3 points on offense. So if anything, you can say not capitalizing on turnovers(although they had 2 TDs on turnovers, there was SIX turnovers) could lead to a loss despite winning the turnover battle. But that game was such an anomoly and in no way indicative of a trend. You lose the turnover battle, far more often than not you will lose the game.

papz · 10-12-2007, 09:31 AM

Not really... if you have a good o-line, you can turn the ball over as many times as you want and still win!

hagan714 · 10-12-2007, 09:35 AM

well at 0 - 4 we are losers. But we have the faith not matter what. who cares that most of that yardage was because we were getting our brains beat out in the first two games. The last 2 we have seen some improvement across the board. so I will look at those stats. TDs win games the rest are to remove the pain

saintfan · 10-12-2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

"Statistics are for losers." Vince Lombardi

Indeed. Amen. Reverend!

Euphoria · 10-12-2007, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I think that's an incorrect statement. The Dallas-Buffalo game was an anomoly. You won't find many 6-2 turnover games ending with the winning team having the 6 turnovers, if any. And by all rights, Buffalo should have won. Poor coaching at the end did them in. also, the fact they only scored 3 points on offense. So if anything, you can say not capitalizing on turnovers(although they had 2 TDs on turnovers, there was SIX turnovers) could lead to a loss despite winning the turnover battle. But that game was such an anomoly and in no way indicative of a trend. You lose the turnover battle, far more often than not you will lose the game.

Numbers prove your point I can't take that from ya - to a degree "but" if you have a D that stops them from capitalizing with points because of the turn-overs. The other team gets nothing. You get one good drive ends in a field goal and you win 3-0.

You have to capitalize on the turn-overs in order for the turnover/wins ratio to actually count. You're O line has got to be able to help sustain a few drives regardless of the turn overs and put some points on the board.

10-11-2007, 12:10 PM	#11
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 "Statistics are for losers." Vince Lombardi Such a perfect quote. If you recall last year we didn't post stats when we were winning but now that we are back to reality we post stats. -interesting. Lombardi and Berra 2 greatest quote makers of all time.

10-11-2007, 12:21 PM	#12
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off Another spin on our statistics is how much of our offensive yardage was gained when the game was out of hand already? We'd be held stiff for 3 straight quarters only to be allowed to dink and dunk it down the field when the defense was playing a deep blanket to keep everything in front of them. I agree, the stats that tell the story are the turnover ratio, the big plays against us and our record. Until we can stop turning the ball over and preventing the 25+ yard plays we will continue to see that record get worse.

10-11-2007, 03:00 PM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off Even the turn over ratio traditionally been a good indication of who won but that Dallas-Buffalo on Monday night is a good step at starting to dispell that notion as well. Good Defense and good O-Line can make up for mistakes FAST. The whole notiong of basing a Defense on the principal of "bend don't break style" is crap. Needs to be scrapped.

10-12-2007, 09:29 AM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off I think that's an incorrect statement. The Dallas-Buffalo game was an anomoly. You won't find many 6-2 turnover games ending with the winning team having the 6 turnovers, if any. And by all rights, Buffalo should have won. Poor coaching at the end did them in. also, the fact they only scored 3 points on offense. So if anything, you can say not capitalizing on turnovers(although they had 2 TDs on turnovers, there was SIX turnovers) could lead to a loss despite winning the turnover battle. But that game was such an anomoly and in no way indicative of a trend. You lose the turnover battle, far more often than not you will lose the game.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off Not really... if you have a good o-line, you can turn the ball over as many times as you want and still win!

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off well at 0 - 4 we are losers. But we have the faith not matter what. who cares that most of that yardage was because we were getting our brains beat out in the first two games. The last 2 we have seen some improvement across the board. so I will look at those stats. TDs win games the rest are to remove the pain

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 "Statistics are for losers." Vince Lombardi Indeed. Amen. Reverend!

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Statiscally speaking, Saints not that far off Originally Posted by saintswhodi I think that's an incorrect statement. The Dallas-Buffalo game was an anomoly. You won't find many 6-2 turnover games ending with the winning team having the 6 turnovers, if any. And by all rights, Buffalo should have won. Poor coaching at the end did them in. also, the fact they only scored 3 points on offense. So if anything, you can say not capitalizing on turnovers(although they had 2 TDs on turnovers, there was SIX turnovers) could lead to a loss despite winning the turnover battle. But that game was such an anomoly and in no way indicative of a trend. You lose the turnover battle, far more often than not you will lose the game. Numbers prove your point I can't take that from ya - to a degree "but" if you have a D that stops them from capitalizing with points because of the turn-overs. The other team gets nothing. You get one good drive ends in a field goal and you win 3-0. You have to capitalize on the turn-overs in order for the turnover/wins ratio to actually count. You're O line has got to be able to help sustain a few drives regardless of the turn overs and put some points on the board.