Thank you, Sean Payton

Cruize · 11-12-2007, 09:33 AM

He's still learning. It's just his second year. The FO missed on all it's offseason moves and in the draft. Don't forget last years success. Blah, blah, blah.

Euphoria · 11-12-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

He's still learning. It's just his second year. The FO missed on all it's offseason moves and in the draft. Don't forget last years success. Blah, blah, blah.

We should all take a page out of the Steelers book. You get a coach, you allow him to learn some lessons and build a team. They don't get rid of there coaches that often and don't get frustrated with a few so so seasons. I do hope he learns he needs a new D coach with new ideas and philosophy.

JOESAM2002 · 11-12-2007, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

We should all take a page out of the Steelers book. You get a coach, you allow him to learn some lessons and build a team. They don't get rid of there coaches that often and don't get frustrated with a few so so seasons. I do hope he learns he needs a new D coach with new ideas and philosophy.

So true,I think Payton is a good coach. I do, however, wonder at times about Gibbs. He seems to get stuck in the same old rut. I know what they say about blitzing all the time, but if your cb's are getting beat any way, give them some help by blitzing. Hell, they're losing the battle already. Help them win the war. Our linebackers and safetys might not be the best but they are fast. They can and do get to the qb when allowed to. Turn them loose and let them help.

jcoll16 · 11-13-2007, 12:55 AM

Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team.

Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter.

Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL.

Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year.

Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players.

There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons.

iceshack149 · 11-13-2007, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by jcoll16

Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team.

Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter.

Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL.

Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year.

Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players.

There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons.

That was the perfect response. Good show, jcoll. Post of the day.

FrenzyFan · 11-13-2007, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by jcoll16

Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team.

Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter.

Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL.

Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year.

Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players.

There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons.

An opinion is an opinion, none more valuable than any other. Thank you for sharing yours.

In mine, there are some serious coaching problems on this team. I cannot explain the play calling, Olindo Mare's continued roster spot, Jason David continuing to start, etc. any other way that makes sense to me. In yours, Sean Payton is the second coming. You spoke of last years draft in glowing terms. I speak of this year's draft as a complete bust (so far - though I note that the guy we moved up to pick in the fourth round ran well AGAINST us yesterday after we cut him and kept Stecker).

I don't play Madden. I don't get the NFL network. I think analysts are mostly talking just to get a reaction, not saying what they think. All the same, I do know what a Mustang looks like and that I won't call one a Ferrari, simply because I love my Mustang.

Euphoria · 11-13-2007, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

An opinion is an opinion, none more valuable than any other. Thank you for sharing yours.

In mine, there are some serious coaching problems on this team. I cannot explain the play calling, Olindo Mare's continued roster spot, Jason David continuing to start, etc. any other way that makes sense to me. In yours, Sean Payton is the second coming. You spoke of last years draft in glowing terms. I speak of this year's draft as a complete bust (so far - though I note that the guy we moved up to pick in the fourth round ran well AGAINST us yesterday after we cut him and kept Stecker).

I don't play Madden. I don't get the NFL network. I think analysts are mostly talking just to get a reaction, not saying what they think. All the same, I do know what a Mustang looks like and that I won't call one a Ferrari, simply because I love my Mustang.

When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling. What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to.

The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic.

You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare.

JOESAM2002 · 11-13-2007, 09:37 AM

And Jason David!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-14-2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling.

I disagree with this. When the Saints are winning, the execution is better. The playcalling is still problematic. On the offensive side of the ball there is never an established running game. It drives me crazy because every back that's put behind Karney is successful in the run game.

On the defensive side there are both personnel and scheme issues. In this league you have to blitz good QBs. While the defense has done a good job against the run, the lack of defensive pressure coupled with soft corner play make the defense worthless against any decent QB in this league. So you get games where you are torched against Manning, Garcia, and Bulger.

The playcalling is a part of the issue without a doubt.

What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to.

Agreed. Another aspect of rushing the ball is that it makes the opposing defenses think. When you are doing a hand wave play action, the D-line simply ignores the back and gets after the QB. With an established run game they actually have to think about that back going by.

The Saints should not abandon the run in a game ever.

The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic.

You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare.

The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field.

Another part seems to be a simple lack of recognition. Even I can see how Simeneou fails on the field virtually every play, yet he's still there.

Personnel adjustment is almost as bad as playcalling adjustment.

SFIAH

SAINTNHEAVEN · 11-16-2007, 02:23 PM

Hey Euphoria,
Well Said, Well Said.......

11-12-2007, 09:33 AM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton He's still learning. It's just his second year. The FO missed on all it's offseason moves and in the draft. Don't forget last years success. Blah, blah, blah.
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11-12-2007, 03:52 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by Cruize He's still learning. It's just his second year. The FO missed on all it's offseason moves and in the draft. Don't forget last years success. Blah, blah, blah. We should all take a page out of the Steelers book. You get a coach, you allow him to learn some lessons and build a team. They don't get rid of there coaches that often and don't get frustrated with a few so so seasons. I do hope he learns he needs a new D coach with new ideas and philosophy.

11-12-2007, 05:33 PM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by Euphoria We should all take a page out of the Steelers book. You get a coach, you allow him to learn some lessons and build a team. They don't get rid of there coaches that often and don't get frustrated with a few so so seasons. I do hope he learns he needs a new D coach with new ideas and philosophy. So true,I think Payton is a good coach. I do, however, wonder at times about Gibbs. He seems to get stuck in the same old rut. I know what they say about blitzing all the time, but if your cb's are getting beat any way, give them some help by blitzing. Hell, they're losing the battle already. Help them win the war. Our linebackers and safetys might not be the best but they are fast. They can and do get to the qb when allowed to. Turn them loose and let them help.

11-13-2007, 12:55 AM	#4
jcoll16 Registered Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: B. Rouge Posts: 39	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team. Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter. Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL. Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year. Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players. There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons.

11-13-2007, 01:06 AM	#5
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,407 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by jcoll16 Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team. Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter. Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL. Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year. Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players. There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons. That was the perfect response. Good show, jcoll. Post of the day.

11-13-2007, 07:28 AM	#6
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by jcoll16 Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team. Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter. Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL. Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year. Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players. There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons. An opinion is an opinion, none more valuable than any other. Thank you for sharing yours. In mine, there are some serious coaching problems on this team. I cannot explain the play calling, Olindo Mare's continued roster spot, Jason David continuing to start, etc. any other way that makes sense to me. In yours, Sean Payton is the second coming. You spoke of last years draft in glowing terms. I speak of this year's draft as a complete bust (so far - though I note that the guy we moved up to pick in the fourth round ran well AGAINST us yesterday after we cut him and kept Stecker). I don't play Madden. I don't get the NFL network. I think analysts are mostly talking just to get a reaction, not saying what they think. All the same, I do know what a Mustang looks like and that I won't call one a Ferrari, simply because I love my Mustang.
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11-13-2007, 09:28 AM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by FrenzyFan An opinion is an opinion, none more valuable than any other. Thank you for sharing yours. In mine, there are some serious coaching problems on this team. I cannot explain the play calling, Olindo Mare's continued roster spot, Jason David continuing to start, etc. any other way that makes sense to me. In yours, Sean Payton is the second coming. You spoke of last years draft in glowing terms. I speak of this year's draft as a complete bust (so far - though I note that the guy we moved up to pick in the fourth round ran well AGAINST us yesterday after we cut him and kept Stecker). I don't play Madden. I don't get the NFL network. I think analysts are mostly talking just to get a reaction, not saying what they think. All the same, I do know what a Mustang looks like and that I won't call one a Ferrari, simply because I love my Mustang. When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling. What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to. The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic. You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare.
	E U P H O R I A

11-13-2007, 09:37 AM	#8
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11-14-2007, 07:03 AM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by Euphoria When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling. I disagree with this. When the Saints are winning, the execution is better. The playcalling is still problematic. On the offensive side of the ball there is never an established running game. It drives me crazy because every back that's put behind Karney is successful in the run game. On the defensive side there are both personnel and scheme issues. In this league you have to blitz good QBs. While the defense has done a good job against the run, the lack of defensive pressure coupled with soft corner play make the defense worthless against any decent QB in this league. So you get games where you are torched against Manning, Garcia, and Bulger. The playcalling is a part of the issue without a doubt. What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to. Agreed. Another aspect of rushing the ball is that it makes the opposing defenses think. When you are doing a hand wave play action, the D-line simply ignores the back and gets after the QB. With an established run game they actually have to think about that back going by. The Saints should not abandon the run in a game ever. The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic. You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare. The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field. Another part seems to be a simple lack of recognition. Even I can see how Simeneou fails on the field virtually every play, yet he's still there. Personnel adjustment is almost as bad as playcalling adjustment. SFIAH
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11-16-2007, 02:23 PM	#10
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