Thank you, Sean Payton

Euphoria · 11-14-2007, 03:48 PM

[QUOTE=stockman311;146384][QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.

This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1:

Games - 13
REC - 42
YDS - 594
AVG - 14.1
LONG - 57
TD's - 8

His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year.
Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0.
And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust.
As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is.

No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing.
There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been.

I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR.

Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.

iceshack149 · 11-14-2007, 05:28 PM

Road grater, soft hands, beast, fragile, fastest, genius, game changer, bust.
Everyone is so quick to label a player and it amuses me. A disappointing first round pick maybe but is he really a bust? He hasn't played a down in the regular season so he must be a bust. Silly. Let's watch him play NFL football awhile before we throw one of those ridiculous labels on him.

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=Bobaganoosh;146377]Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around.

Drew Brees, suck, let's deal with the now 2007, and the facts, he's giving games away. I know boys are disgusted with his play in the locker room, I'm damn sure they're talking about him among themselves. Now you can talk about my credability all you want, but I'm not the one who's standing in the middle of the huddle the so-called leader of the team throwing pick after the pick, than fumble if he hear a foot step,can you dig it? The number 9 has nothing to do with Drew Brees, it's my favorite number, and he's doing it a terrible injustice, because he sucks, period. The Saints don't need a statue quarterback, he's not atheletical at all, coach Payton sabotage the draft picks, get real man.

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Euphoria;146390][QUOTE=stockman311;146384]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.

No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing.
There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been.

I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR.

Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.

I'm not saying that Meachum is a bust, I have a feeling Meachum will be great, but why draft someone who can't help you now, in 2007. Meachum, was injuried, and Sean Payton, knew this, he could have drafted a line-backer or Chris Houston.

Bobaganoosh · 11-14-2007, 06:21 PM

I guess wasnt looking for athletical players and instead he got "sand-lock" football players.

Budsdrinker · 11-14-2007, 10:07 PM

I'm still waiting to hear who these so called athletical QB's are and where are they?

FrenzyFan · 11-15-2007, 07:47 AM

I never thought this thread would get this much response. I started it because I was fed up with watching every pass play go downtown when the right thing to do in a blitz is to dump it short to the area of the field from which the blitz is coming from. After series after series of watching the exact same mistaken play calls on offense to the same unchanging blitzing on defense - leading to our eventual humiliation at the hands of the winless Rams, I was pretty ticked.

I can see Euphoria's point about the lack of adjustments. Normally I don't agree with much that he says, but in this case I found that he was saying the same thing I was - just in a different way. As an aside, I telephoned hell and it wasn't snowing there (but I had to check - j/k Euph!)

I never intended to bring draft decisions into the discussion, but since it was brought in by another poster to defend Payton's coaching, I'll say this. The draft is a crap-shoot. A team's picks can make the coaches and personnel staff look like geniuses and just as often, fools. I find this years decisions in the draft incomprehensible. Similarly, I was puzzled by last year's decisions considering they weren't critical needs to me (LB, LB, LB, and then a side-order of LB). With the turn-around of our team last year, and the amazing success of many of those picks everyone gives Payton and Co. a pass. It's hard to argue with performance, but honestly I haven't understood the Sean Payton's draft strategy in the last two years.

As to other semi-literate, sewage-spewing, etc. posters, I say "Don't feed the trolls" and hope that you all understand me.

saints9 · 11-15-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I'm still waiting to hear who these so called athletical QB's are and where are they?

Isn't Tony Romo, athletical, isn't Jeff Garcia, athletical, they help their offensive line, look at the way Tom Brady ,they say he has eyes behind his back, move around in the pocket. Drew Brees want move at all, he just stands there a take the sacks. I seen time and time again on plays when Drew Brees should have taken off and ran, to help his team and keep the drive alive. All of these quarterback have at least ran for a TD. Jeff Garcia, in the play-offs way killing the saints. TEbow, is an athletical quarterback. Drew Brees, need Fort Knoxs to protect him, because he is a target that want move. He needs to bail out his offense-line sometime. An another example is Tyler Palco.

JOESAM2002 · 11-15-2007, 08:53 AM

HuH? What'd he say?

WhoDat205 · 11-15-2007, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by saints9

Isn't Tony Romo, athletical, isn't Jeff Garcia, athletical, they help their offensive line, look at the way Tom Brady ,they say he has eyes behind his back, move around in the pocket. Drew Brees want move at all, he just stands there a take the sacks. I seen time and time again on plays when Drew Brees should have taken off and ran, to help his team and keep the drive alive. All of these quarterback have at least ran for a TD. Jeff Garcia, in the play-offs way killing the saints. TEbow, is an athletical quarterback. Drew Brees, need Fort Knoxs to protect him, because he is a target that want move. He needs to bail out his offense-line sometime. An another example is Tyler Palco.

While he's not an athletical running QB like Vince Young, Brees is mobile, he just looks to pass first, then pass again, then run while he sees if he can pass at the last minute. You do realize that he's been sacked 6 times this season, right? That's 4 better than the athletical Brady and Manning and 7 better than the athletical Favre.

11-14-2007, 03:48 PM	#31
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=stockman311;146384][QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great. This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1: Games - 13 REC - 42 YDS - 594 AVG - 14.1 LONG - 57 TD's - 8 His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year. Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0. And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust. As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is. No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing. There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been. I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR. Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.
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11-14-2007, 05:28 PM	#32
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,429 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Road grater, soft hands, beast, fragile, fastest, genius, game changer, bust. Everyone is so quick to label a player and it amuses me. A disappointing first round pick maybe but is he really a bust? He hasn't played a down in the regular season so he must be a bust. Silly. Let's watch him play NFL football awhile before we throw one of those ridiculous labels on him.

11-14-2007, 05:38 PM	#33
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=Bobaganoosh;146377]Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around. Drew Brees, suck, let's deal with the now 2007, and the facts, he's giving games away. I know boys are disgusted with his play in the locker room, I'm damn sure they're talking about him among themselves. Now you can talk about my credability all you want, but I'm not the one who's standing in the middle of the huddle the so-called leader of the team throwing pick after the pick, than fumble if he hear a foot step,can you dig it? The number 9 has nothing to do with Drew Brees, it's my favorite number, and he's doing it a terrible injustice, because he sucks, period. The Saints don't need a statue quarterback, he's not atheletical at all, coach Payton sabotage the draft picks, get real man.
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11-14-2007, 05:41 PM	#34
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=Euphoria;146390][QUOTE=stockman311;146384] Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great. No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing. There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been. I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR. Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early. I'm not saying that Meachum is a bust, I have a feeling Meachum will be great, but why draft someone who can't help you now, in 2007. Meachum, was injuried, and Sean Payton, knew this, he could have drafted a line-backer or Chris Houston.
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11-15-2007, 08:44 AM	#38
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I'm still waiting to hear who these so called athletical QB's are and where are they? Isn't Tony Romo, athletical, isn't Jeff Garcia, athletical, they help their offensive line, look at the way Tom Brady ,they say he has eyes behind his back, move around in the pocket. Drew Brees want move at all, he just stands there a take the sacks. I seen time and time again on plays when Drew Brees should have taken off and ran, to help his team and keep the drive alive. All of these quarterback have at least ran for a TD. Jeff Garcia, in the play-offs way killing the saints. TEbow, is an athletical quarterback. Drew Brees, need Fort Knoxs to protect him, because he is a target that want move. He needs to bail out his offense-line sometime. An another example is Tyler Palco.
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11-15-2007, 08:53 AM	#39
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11-15-2007, 09:11 AM	#40
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by saints9 Isn't Tony Romo, athletical, isn't Jeff Garcia, athletical, they help their offensive line, look at the way Tom Brady ,they say he has eyes behind his back, move around in the pocket. Drew Brees want move at all, he just stands there a take the sacks. I seen time and time again on plays when Drew Brees should have taken off and ran, to help his team and keep the drive alive. All of these quarterback have at least ran for a TD. Jeff Garcia, in the play-offs way killing the saints. TEbow, is an athletical quarterback. Drew Brees, need Fort Knoxs to protect him, because he is a target that want move. He needs to bail out his offense-line sometime. An another example is Tyler Palco. While he's not an athletical running QB like Vince Young, Brees is mobile, he just looks to pass first, then pass again, then run while he sees if he can pass at the last minute. You do realize that he's been sacked 6 times this season, right? That's 4 better than the athletical Brady and Manning and 7 better than the athletical Favre.