Thank you, Sean Payton

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 10:58 AM

Sean Payton, screwed the Saints with his draft picks, screwed them. He picked before the Colts, why didn't he get Ugo or Chris Houston? Why is it that he has to pick player from schools like Wingate, and Kent, than put David Jones on the practice field and keep Fred Thomas? If it's offensive lineman that he needs, why not go after the best? If it's cornerbacks that the Saints needed, He could have taken Chris Houston, than Usama Young. No he goes and get a player that he know was injuried, Robert Meachum, why? There's tons of Talent in the Sec, Big Ten. How many interceptions does Drew Brees, Has, 15, what's up with this. Sean Payton should have known from last year, that Drew needs protection, Drew can't take the heat, go and get Sec talent, get some line-men who can open up the running lanes for Reggie Bush. Poor Reggie, he might get killed playing for the New Orleans, 40 year jinx Saints. And by the way, get a quarterback, that has some mobility, that can help the offensive lineman, Dree Brees stand back in the pocket like a damn statue, and want move, he sucks, don't talk about Aaron Brooks, because Drew Brees in killing the Saints.

Bobaganoosh · 11-14-2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by saints9

Sean Payton, screwed the Saints with his draft picks, screwed them. He picked before the Colts, why didn't he get Ugo or Chris Houston? Why is it that he has to pick player from schools like Wingate, and Kent, than put David Jones on the practice field and keep Fred Thomas? If it's offensive lineman that he needs, why not go after the best? If it's cornerbacks that the Saints needed, He could have taken Chris Houston, than Usama Young. No he goes and get a player that he know was injuried, Robert Meachum, why? There's tons of Talent in the Sec, Big Ten. How many interceptions does Drew Brees, Has, 15, what's up with this. Sean Payton should have known from last year, that Drew needs protection, Drew can't take the heat, go and get Sec talent, get some line-men who can open up the running lanes for Reggie Bush. Poor Reggie, he might get killed playing for the New Orleans, 40 year jinx Saints. And by the way, get a quarterback, that has some mobility, that can help the offensive lineman, Dree Brees stand back in the pocket like a damn statue, and want move, he sucks, don't talk about Aaron Brooks, because Drew Brees in killing the Saints.

This may have been the longest useless post i have ever read. First off, why draft Ugoh when Brown was an All-Pro, Stinchcomb just got an extension, Strief dominated the Bucs in his only start...so there are 3 tackles we have so why take another in the first round? Chris Houston is going to keep on getting abused for as long as he is in the NFL...he relies to much on contact and he will lead the league in PI penalties when it is all said and done. My favorite quote from you was that Payton should know from last year that Brees needed protection? Thats right, he does know that...and Brees was only sacked 15 times last year...that is phenominal. So i disagree with every single thing you said and your idea for the draft was downright laughable. But you are right...Drew Brees cant hold a candle to Aaron Brooks. We should get on the phone with AB right now and get him in here. He is, and always has been the answer for this franchise.

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

This may have been the longest useless post i have ever read. First off, why draft Ugoh when Brown was an All-Pro, Stinchcomb just got an extension, Strief dominated the Bucs in his only start...so there are 3 tackles we have so why take another in the first round? Chris Houston is going to keep on getting abused for as long as he is in the NFL...he relies to much on contact and he will lead the league in PI penalties when it is all said and done. My favorite quote from you was that Payton should know from last year that Brees needed protection? Thats right, he does know that...and Brees was only sacked 15 times last year...that is phenominal. So i disagree with every single thing you said and your idea for the draft was downright laughable. But you are right...Drew Brees cant hold a candle to Aaron Brooks. We should get on the phone with AB right now and get him in here. He is, and always has been the answer for this franchise.

Wasn't it Sean Payton who said, that he needed depth, than why not get the best player to add to the depth. Oh, but you agree with what I said that Drew Brees is a disgrace, and should be playing sand-lock football. Ugo, gave Will Smith all that he could handle. And Chris Houston, just got rookie of the week award. At least Houston puts his hands on a player, Fred Thomas falls and eats dust every week. Why would a coach draft a player knowing he's injuried? Could you please explain this to me? Why would a coach sign FA's who Bobby Hebert claims can't beat out Simoneux, draft players who can't beat out Fred Thomas, who's damn ancient? But yet, the Bengals take David Jones from the Saints practice field and he lands a contract. Is it that the Bengal coach saw talent in David Jones, that Sean Payton and couldn't see. The Saints just gave away their picks to other teams, like Antoino Pittman, who is better than Aaron Stecker. Look here buddy, Sean Payton, may have pull the wool over your eye's but not mine.

Why does Sean Payton play favorites? Stecker over Pierre Thomas, Simoneux over Simmons, who was just voted for player of the week, what going on here, Isn't the object of the game is to win, and play the best players you have available. Drew Brees suck and Sean Payton.

Euphoria · 11-14-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by saints9

Wasn't it Sean Payton who said, that he needed depth, than why not get the best player to add to the depth. Oh, but you agree with what I said that Drew Brees is a disgrace, and should be playing sand-lock football. Ugo, gave Will Smith all that he could handle. And Chris Houston, just got rookie of the week award. At least Houston puts his hands on a player, Fred Thomas falls and eats dust every week. Why would a coach draft a player knowing he's injuried? Could you please explain this to me? Why would a coach sign FA's who Bobby Hebert claims can't beat out Simoneux, draft players who can't beat out Fred Thomas, who's damn ancient? But yet, the Bengals take David Jones from the Saints practice field and he lands a contract. Is it that the Bengal coach saw talent in David Jones, that Sean Payton and couldn't see. The Saints just gave away their picks to other teams, like Antoino Pittman, who is better than Aaron Stecker. Look here buddy, Sean Payton, may have pull the wool over your eye's but not mine.

Why does Sean Payton play favorites? Stecker over Pierre Thomas, Simoneux over Simmons, who was just voted for player of the week, what going on here, Isn't the object of the game is to win, and play the best players you have available. Drew Brees suck and Sean Payton.

OMG... I think I just lost my title of being the most disliked around here with just one Thread. -Is school out today that I don't know about?

darstep · 11-14-2007, 01:09 PM

Watchout Saints9! you just opened up a can of worms, Pandora's box, stirred up a bee hive, and let the dogs out. There are some who think Drew is the 2nd coming. You are supposed to turn a blind eye to the picks and blame the O-line when he gets hammered and fumbles. Then you really stirred up the sh!t by mentioning the two Br's in the same sentence. Man, You must love a good fight! Watch this one give birth to its own thread. Why don't you start the impeachment process...start gathering signatures.

Budsdrinker · 11-14-2007, 01:57 PM

Anyone who compares Brooks to Brees doesn't know his orifice from a hole in the ground and not worth arguing with. But for argument sake what QB would you recommend?

Euphoria · 11-14-2007, 02:28 PM

I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.

Playcalling shcplaycalling... its not just play calling its ADJUSTMENTS, which is the big picture. If something isn't working for you you have to make adjustments that means 'playcalling', 'personel', 'attitude', 'gameplan'. Its everything. That is were we have utterly failed this year. You should see a different team come out in the second half to counter what your opponets do and the Saints have not picked up on some of the things that are going on during the game. Even Payton has made mention of this. I totally agree being aggressive against some teams and score lots and often early and force your opponet out of there game plan to run with you, put them in a whole and make the fight out of it which will help create some turnovers.

What I saw in the Rams game is run blocking was perhaps the best I have seen all year from our Oline and the Pass protection was very week. The Saints didn't adjust and attack more on the run. Thats definately the coaching.

You also do have to scrap the run at times if you are behind in a game you got to pass. You'll run out of time running the ball. You can only run effectively when you are ahead.

stockman311 · 11-14-2007, 03:22 PM

[QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.
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This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1:

Games - 13
REC - 42
YDS - 594
AVG - 14.1
LONG - 57
TD's - 8

His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year.
Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0.
And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust.
As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is.

Euphoria · 11-14-2007, 03:48 PM

[QUOTE=stockman311;146384][QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.

This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1:

Games - 13
REC - 42
YDS - 594
AVG - 14.1
LONG - 57
TD's - 8

His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year.
Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0.
And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust.
As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is.

No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing.
There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been.

I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR.

Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.

iceshack149 · 11-14-2007, 05:28 PM

Road grater, soft hands, beast, fragile, fastest, genius, game changer, bust.
Everyone is so quick to label a player and it amuses me. A disappointing first round pick maybe but is he really a bust? He hasn't played a down in the regular season so he must be a bust. Silly. Let's watch him play NFL football awhile before we throw one of those ridiculous labels on him.

11-14-2007, 10:58 AM	#1
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Sean Payton, screwed the Saints with his draft picks, screwed them. He picked before the Colts, why didn't he get Ugo or Chris Houston? Why is it that he has to pick player from schools like Wingate, and Kent, than put David Jones on the practice field and keep Fred Thomas? If it's offensive lineman that he needs, why not go after the best? If it's cornerbacks that the Saints needed, He could have taken Chris Houston, than Usama Young. No he goes and get a player that he know was injuried, Robert Meachum, why? There's tons of Talent in the Sec, Big Ten. How many interceptions does Drew Brees, Has, 15, what's up with this. Sean Payton should have known from last year, that Drew needs protection, Drew can't take the heat, go and get Sec talent, get some line-men who can open up the running lanes for Reggie Bush. Poor Reggie, he might get killed playing for the New Orleans, 40 year jinx Saints. And by the way, get a quarterback, that has some mobility, that can help the offensive lineman, Dree Brees stand back in the pocket like a damn statue, and want move, he sucks, don't talk about Aaron Brooks, because Drew Brees in killing the Saints.
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11-14-2007, 02:32 PM	#2
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by saints9 Sean Payton, screwed the Saints with his draft picks, screwed them. He picked before the Colts, why didn't he get Ugo or Chris Houston? Why is it that he has to pick player from schools like Wingate, and Kent, than put David Jones on the practice field and keep Fred Thomas? If it's offensive lineman that he needs, why not go after the best? If it's cornerbacks that the Saints needed, He could have taken Chris Houston, than Usama Young. No he goes and get a player that he know was injuried, Robert Meachum, why? There's tons of Talent in the Sec, Big Ten. How many interceptions does Drew Brees, Has, 15, what's up with this. Sean Payton should have known from last year, that Drew needs protection, Drew can't take the heat, go and get Sec talent, get some line-men who can open up the running lanes for Reggie Bush. Poor Reggie, he might get killed playing for the New Orleans, 40 year jinx Saints. And by the way, get a quarterback, that has some mobility, that can help the offensive lineman, Dree Brees stand back in the pocket like a damn statue, and want move, he sucks, don't talk about Aaron Brooks, because Drew Brees in killing the Saints. This may have been the longest useless post i have ever read. First off, why draft Ugoh when Brown was an All-Pro, Stinchcomb just got an extension, Strief dominated the Bucs in his only start...so there are 3 tackles we have so why take another in the first round? Chris Houston is going to keep on getting abused for as long as he is in the NFL...he relies to much on contact and he will lead the league in PI penalties when it is all said and done. My favorite quote from you was that Payton should know from last year that Brees needed protection? Thats right, he does know that...and Brees was only sacked 15 times last year...that is phenominal. So i disagree with every single thing you said and your idea for the draft was downright laughable. But you are right...Drew Brees cant hold a candle to Aaron Brooks. We should get on the phone with AB right now and get him in here. He is, and always has been the answer for this franchise.
	It's all in the reflexes.

11-14-2007, 03:12 PM	#3
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh This may have been the longest useless post i have ever read. First off, why draft Ugoh when Brown was an All-Pro, Stinchcomb just got an extension, Strief dominated the Bucs in his only start...so there are 3 tackles we have so why take another in the first round? Chris Houston is going to keep on getting abused for as long as he is in the NFL...he relies to much on contact and he will lead the league in PI penalties when it is all said and done. My favorite quote from you was that Payton should know from last year that Brees needed protection? Thats right, he does know that...and Brees was only sacked 15 times last year...that is phenominal. So i disagree with every single thing you said and your idea for the draft was downright laughable. But you are right...Drew Brees cant hold a candle to Aaron Brooks. We should get on the phone with AB right now and get him in here. He is, and always has been the answer for this franchise. Wasn't it Sean Payton who said, that he needed depth, than why not get the best player to add to the depth. Oh, but you agree with what I said that Drew Brees is a disgrace, and should be playing sand-lock football. Ugo, gave Will Smith all that he could handle. And Chris Houston, just got rookie of the week award. At least Houston puts his hands on a player, Fred Thomas falls and eats dust every week. Why would a coach draft a player knowing he's injuried? Could you please explain this to me? Why would a coach sign FA's who Bobby Hebert claims can't beat out Simoneux, draft players who can't beat out Fred Thomas, who's damn ancient? But yet, the Bengals take David Jones from the Saints practice field and he lands a contract. Is it that the Bengal coach saw talent in David Jones, that Sean Payton and couldn't see. The Saints just gave away their picks to other teams, like Antoino Pittman, who is better than Aaron Stecker. Look here buddy, Sean Payton, may have pull the wool over your eye's but not mine. Why does Sean Payton play favorites? Stecker over Pierre Thomas, Simoneux over Simmons, who was just voted for player of the week, what going on here, Isn't the object of the game is to win, and play the best players you have available. Drew Brees suck and Sean Payton.
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11-14-2007, 03:20 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by saints9 Wasn't it Sean Payton who said, that he needed depth, than why not get the best player to add to the depth. Oh, but you agree with what I said that Drew Brees is a disgrace, and should be playing sand-lock football. Ugo, gave Will Smith all that he could handle. And Chris Houston, just got rookie of the week award. At least Houston puts his hands on a player, Fred Thomas falls and eats dust every week. Why would a coach draft a player knowing he's injuried? Could you please explain this to me? Why would a coach sign FA's who Bobby Hebert claims can't beat out Simoneux, draft players who can't beat out Fred Thomas, who's damn ancient? But yet, the Bengals take David Jones from the Saints practice field and he lands a contract. Is it that the Bengal coach saw talent in David Jones, that Sean Payton and couldn't see. The Saints just gave away their picks to other teams, like Antoino Pittman, who is better than Aaron Stecker. Look here buddy, Sean Payton, may have pull the wool over your eye's but not mine. Why does Sean Payton play favorites? Stecker over Pierre Thomas, Simoneux over Simmons, who was just voted for player of the week, what going on here, Isn't the object of the game is to win, and play the best players you have available. Drew Brees suck and Sean Payton. OMG... I think I just lost my title of being the most disliked around here with just one Thread. -Is school out today that I don't know about?

11-14-2007, 01:09 PM	#5
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Watchout Saints9! you just opened up a can of worms, Pandora's box, stirred up a bee hive, and let the dogs out. There are some who think Drew is the 2nd coming. You are supposed to turn a blind eye to the picks and blame the O-line when he gets hammered and fumbles. Then you really stirred up the sh!t by mentioning the two Br's in the same sentence. Man, You must love a good fight! Watch this one give birth to its own thread. Why don't you start the impeachment process...start gathering signatures.
	SaintSince67

11-14-2007, 01:57 PM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Anyone who compares Brooks to Brees doesn't know his orifice from a hole in the ground and not worth arguing with. But for argument sake what QB would you recommend?

11-14-2007, 02:28 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great. Playcalling shcplaycalling... its not just play calling its ADJUSTMENTS, which is the big picture. If something isn't working for you you have to make adjustments that means 'playcalling', 'personel', 'attitude', 'gameplan'. Its everything. That is were we have utterly failed this year. You should see a different team come out in the second half to counter what your opponets do and the Saints have not picked up on some of the things that are going on during the game. Even Payton has made mention of this. I totally agree being aggressive against some teams and score lots and often early and force your opponet out of there game plan to run with you, put them in a whole and make the fight out of it which will help create some turnovers. What I saw in the Rams game is run blocking was perhaps the best I have seen all year from our Oline and the Pass protection was very week. The Saints didn't adjust and attack more on the run. Thats definately the coaching. You also do have to scrap the run at times if you are behind in a game you got to pass. You'll run out of time running the ball. You can only run effectively when you are ahead.
	E U P H O R I A

11-14-2007, 03:22 PM	#8
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great. [QUOTE] This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1: Games - 13 REC - 42 YDS - 594 AVG - 14.1 LONG - 57 TD's - 8 His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year. Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0. And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust. As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is.

11-14-2007, 03:48 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=stockman311;146384][QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great. This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1: Games - 13 REC - 42 YDS - 594 AVG - 14.1 LONG - 57 TD's - 8 His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year. Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0. And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust. As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is. No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing. There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been. I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR. Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.
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11-14-2007, 05:28 PM	#10
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Road grater, soft hands, beast, fragile, fastest, genius, game changer, bust. Everyone is so quick to label a player and it amuses me. A disappointing first round pick maybe but is he really a bust? He hasn't played a down in the regular season so he must be a bust. Silly. Let's watch him play NFL football awhile before we throw one of those ridiculous labels on him.