Thank you, Sean Payton

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-14-2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling.

I disagree with this. When the Saints are winning, the execution is better. The playcalling is still problematic. On the offensive side of the ball there is never an established running game. It drives me crazy because every back that's put behind Karney is successful in the run game.

On the defensive side there are both personnel and scheme issues. In this league you have to blitz good QBs. While the defense has done a good job against the run, the lack of defensive pressure coupled with soft corner play make the defense worthless against any decent QB in this league. So you get games where you are torched against Manning, Garcia, and Bulger.

The playcalling is a part of the issue without a doubt.

What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to.

Agreed. Another aspect of rushing the ball is that it makes the opposing defenses think. When you are doing a hand wave play action, the D-line simply ignores the back and gets after the QB. With an established run game they actually have to think about that back going by.

The Saints should not abandon the run in a game ever.

The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic.

You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare.

The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field.

Another part seems to be a simple lack of recognition. Even I can see how Simeneou fails on the field virtually every play, yet he's still there.

Personnel adjustment is almost as bad as playcalling adjustment.

SFIAH

Bobaganoosh · 11-14-2007, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field.
SFIAH

OK...I am going to have to disagree with this one. Will you please tell me where there is an overabundance of talent? Can you please tell me one WR we have not named Colston that could start for most teams in the league? Devery has been blasted this year by the media and mostly by people on this site for his inability to catch the ball. David Patten hasnt played more than 6 games in the last 3 years. Terrence Copper is nothing more than a 4th WR and a special teamer. So i dont think you can tell me that the need for a potential game breaking reciever from a big time school in a big time conference wasnt needed. He has not worked out for us yet, but there is still plenty of time and you have to think about the long term.

11-14-2007, 07:03 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by Euphoria When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling. I disagree with this. When the Saints are winning, the execution is better. The playcalling is still problematic. On the offensive side of the ball there is never an established running game. It drives me crazy because every back that's put behind Karney is successful in the run game. On the defensive side there are both personnel and scheme issues. In this league you have to blitz good QBs. While the defense has done a good job against the run, the lack of defensive pressure coupled with soft corner play make the defense worthless against any decent QB in this league. So you get games where you are torched against Manning, Garcia, and Bulger. The playcalling is a part of the issue without a doubt. What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to. Agreed. Another aspect of rushing the ball is that it makes the opposing defenses think. When you are doing a hand wave play action, the D-line simply ignores the back and gets after the QB. With an established run game they actually have to think about that back going by. The Saints should not abandon the run in a game ever. The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic. You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare. The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field. Another part seems to be a simple lack of recognition. Even I can see how Simeneou fails on the field virtually every play, yet he's still there. Personnel adjustment is almost as bad as playcalling adjustment. SFIAH
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11-14-2007, 02:26 PM	#2
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field. SFIAH OK...I am going to have to disagree with this one. Will you please tell me where there is an overabundance of talent? Can you please tell me one WR we have not named Colston that could start for most teams in the league? Devery has been blasted this year by the media and mostly by people on this site for his inability to catch the ball. David Patten hasnt played more than 6 games in the last 3 years. Terrence Copper is nothing more than a 4th WR and a special teamer. So i dont think you can tell me that the need for a potential game breaking reciever from a big time school in a big time conference wasnt needed. He has not worked out for us yet, but there is still plenty of time and you have to think about the long term.
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