Player turnover..........

Johnny Moronic · 12-26-2007, 04:04 PM

I agree. Henderson and copper are good enough for me. We need to spend some money on defense and keep these bargain receivers. Brees can make anybody look good, when he has time.

hagan714 · 12-26-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Moronic

I agree. Henderson and copper are good enough for me. We need to spend some money on defense and keep these bargain receivers. Brees can make anybody look good, when he has time.

Bargin? how so? price per catch or price per drop or price per play not on the field? Copper ok he gets paid min but Henderson? sorry maybe i am not right. I wanted him traded for a pick, any pick in 2006.

Bobaganoosh · 12-28-2007, 02:49 AM

it is very realistic to see this team next year without Copper, Henderson, Nesbit, Simoneau, Young, Craft, and Bullocks...but the rest of the guys should be back...that doesnt mean they will all have the same role, but they will probably be back with the team. I think the coaching staff remains largely intact, but i do see changes being made as the DB coach and the special team coach may be on the outs. Jason David, Jon Stinchcomb, and Roman Harper will still be saints in some capacity. I think that the staff needs to realize that we cant keep bringing in 2nd tier defensive guys to shore up the unit, they need to add a big name guy to the back end of the defense, and i think the draft is the way to go to add a MLB and some depth in the secondary. In a perfect world, the Saints would give up the farm for Bob Sanders OR Marcus Trufant...then have a draft that would produce a MLB, nickle corner, WR, TE and QB. We have to hope that Alleman could fill in Nesbits spot, find a WR in free agency, and bring in someone who can teach our safety to know his assignment. Its going to be a telling offseason for the club and lets hope they do the right thing.

hagan714 · 12-28-2007, 06:38 AM

I would love to see one of the draft picks step up and take over at LG or LT next year. Andy would be perfect. Why? because there are LT in this years draft that step right in. Allowing Brown to move back to the right. In a perfect world one of the previous draft choices would do the job. Stiench signed a 2 year deal so I have to wonder if the saints believe this kind of move will happen and we bought extra time to develop the players we have on the team now.
As for CB I do not think it is a big need to go with big guns as much as quality younger player. The two I am eyeballing are:
CB Nnamdi Asomugha
CB Drayton Florence
Then draft your MLB. there is nothing in FA as of yet that is all that great. We can only hope the cap cuts make it possible. as for WR I like a WR that runs good routes and has good hands. Speed can always be found. My vote goes to another mid tier FA:
WR Bryant Johnson
He is lost behind 2 great WR in Arizona. I am still hoping Meachem works out to the #2 guy but Johnson would be a nice insurance policy.
Possible trade bait out there at DT that is kind of interesting is from the Jets.
NT Dewayne Robertson
Talk about being lost in the 34. He in no way belongs there. He is a younger version of HT. In the 43 he is a force.
Just some ideas

Bobaganoosh · 12-28-2007, 01:01 PM

You have to believe that the frustration Payton is feeling is enough to make him say, this is it, we are bringing in some big time defensive help this year. It has to be through a combination of the draft, free agency and trades. The saints can trade a pick to the jets for Robertson or possibly, Vilma since neither of those guys fit the Jets scheme. The Saints can make a run at the CB from the Raiders in free agency or maybe even Bob Sanders. You know Payton loves safeties and i can see him getting the FO to open up the wallet for the best S in the game this side of Ed Reed. Then in the draft, they can take another CB and LB on day one...then fill the needs at WR, TE, QB, and DL on day 2.

The Colts are going to have to decide which player they want to keep, Dallas Clark or Bob Sanders...i dont see how Manning will let them lose Clark.

Budsdrinker · 12-28-2007, 10:56 PM

Well, the Colts just signed Sanders to a 5 year deal so we can forget about him
Colts sign Bob Sanders to $37.5M deal - Yahoo! News

hagan714 · 12-29-2007, 05:21 AM

Good. Not that I do not like him it is just the injury bug follows him around. As for Vilma I would love to have the guy before the knee injury. What I have read about him scares me. He may end up a cap cut because of it. IR settlement. Then make your move on him and sign yet another player to a one year deal.

saintsfan1976 · 12-29-2007, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Bargin? how so? price per catch or price per drop or price per play not on the field? Copper ok he gets paid min but Henderson? sorry maybe i am not right. I wanted him traded for a pick, any pick in 2006.

LOL. And now he's only diminished his trade value for us... unfortunately we're left with another release.

LongTimeFan · 12-29-2007, 09:03 AM

Henderson should be cut for sure, I'm sure he'll do very well with another team, it seems to always happen to players cut by the Saints, I just hope he doesn't end up in the NFC South.
Fred Thomas, that's an easy cut, boy is garbage right now, not sure which team in the NFL would want him.
That's just two players I know will be gone next year but more to be gone on defense...Like Jason David , gotta go too.

12-26-2007, 04:04 PM	#21
Johnny Moronic Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tuscaloosa, Alabama Posts: 9	Re: Player turnover.......... I agree. Henderson and copper are good enough for me. We need to spend some money on defense and keep these bargain receivers. Brees can make anybody look good, when he has time.

12-26-2007, 04:12 PM	#22
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by Johnny Moronic I agree. Henderson and copper are good enough for me. We need to spend some money on defense and keep these bargain receivers. Brees can make anybody look good, when he has time. Bargin? how so? price per catch or price per drop or price per play not on the field? Copper ok he gets paid min but Henderson? sorry maybe i am not right. I wanted him traded for a pick, any pick in 2006.

12-28-2007, 02:49 AM	#23
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Player turnover.......... it is very realistic to see this team next year without Copper, Henderson, Nesbit, Simoneau, Young, Craft, and Bullocks...but the rest of the guys should be back...that doesnt mean they will all have the same role, but they will probably be back with the team. I think the coaching staff remains largely intact, but i do see changes being made as the DB coach and the special team coach may be on the outs. Jason David, Jon Stinchcomb, and Roman Harper will still be saints in some capacity. I think that the staff needs to realize that we cant keep bringing in 2nd tier defensive guys to shore up the unit, they need to add a big name guy to the back end of the defense, and i think the draft is the way to go to add a MLB and some depth in the secondary. In a perfect world, the Saints would give up the farm for Bob Sanders OR Marcus Trufant...then have a draft that would produce a MLB, nickle corner, WR, TE and QB. We have to hope that Alleman could fill in Nesbits spot, find a WR in free agency, and bring in someone who can teach our safety to know his assignment. Its going to be a telling offseason for the club and lets hope they do the right thing.
	It's all in the reflexes.

12-28-2007, 06:38 AM	#24
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Player turnover.......... I would love to see one of the draft picks step up and take over at LG or LT next year. Andy would be perfect. Why? because there are LT in this years draft that step right in. Allowing Brown to move back to the right. In a perfect world one of the previous draft choices would do the job. Stiench signed a 2 year deal so I have to wonder if the saints believe this kind of move will happen and we bought extra time to develop the players we have on the team now. As for CB I do not think it is a big need to go with big guns as much as quality younger player. The two I am eyeballing are: CB Nnamdi Asomugha CB Drayton Florence Then draft your MLB. there is nothing in FA as of yet that is all that great. We can only hope the cap cuts make it possible. as for WR I like a WR that runs good routes and has good hands. Speed can always be found. My vote goes to another mid tier FA: WR Bryant Johnson He is lost behind 2 great WR in Arizona. I am still hoping Meachem works out to the #2 guy but Johnson would be a nice insurance policy. Possible trade bait out there at DT that is kind of interesting is from the Jets. NT Dewayne Robertson Talk about being lost in the 34. He in no way belongs there. He is a younger version of HT. In the 43 he is a force. Just some ideas
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

12-28-2007, 01:01 PM	#25
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Player turnover.......... You have to believe that the frustration Payton is feeling is enough to make him say, this is it, we are bringing in some big time defensive help this year. It has to be through a combination of the draft, free agency and trades. The saints can trade a pick to the jets for Robertson or possibly, Vilma since neither of those guys fit the Jets scheme. The Saints can make a run at the CB from the Raiders in free agency or maybe even Bob Sanders. You know Payton loves safeties and i can see him getting the FO to open up the wallet for the best S in the game this side of Ed Reed. Then in the draft, they can take another CB and LB on day one...then fill the needs at WR, TE, QB, and DL on day 2. The Colts are going to have to decide which player they want to keep, Dallas Clark or Bob Sanders...i dont see how Manning will let them lose Clark.
	It's all in the reflexes.

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12-28-2007, 10:56 PM	#26
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12-29-2007, 05:21 AM	#27
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Player turnover.......... Good. Not that I do not like him it is just the injury bug follows him around. As for Vilma I would love to have the guy before the knee injury. What I have read about him scares me. He may end up a cap cut because of it. IR settlement. Then make your move on him and sign yet another player to a one year deal.

12-29-2007, 08:40 AM	#28
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by hagan714 Bargin? how so? price per catch or price per drop or price per play not on the field? Copper ok he gets paid min but Henderson? sorry maybe i am not right. I wanted him traded for a pick, any pick in 2006. LOL. And now he's only diminished his trade value for us... unfortunately we're left with another release.

12-29-2007, 09:03 AM	#29
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Player turnover.......... Henderson should be cut for sure, I'm sure he'll do very well with another team, it seems to always happen to players cut by the Saints, I just hope he doesn't end up in the NFC South. Fred Thomas, that's an easy cut, boy is garbage right now, not sure which team in the NFL would want him. That's just two players I know will be gone next year but more to be gone on defense...Like Jason David , gotta go too.