Player turnover..........

hagan714 · 12-26-2007, 08:45 AM

Henderson needs a major salary cut and even then I would question the front office.

Kittykat · 12-26-2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by mjf150

How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes).

I know...I think I hold out hope for him because he does catch the occasional pass and make the occasional play. I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him. I do confess to cringing everytime I see him reaching for a pass...

I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe.

biloxi-indian · 12-26-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kittykat

I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe.

I am not sure even with your solution Henderson could hold onto the football. Fast as a speeding bullet with dead cold hands. A change of scenery and cut in salary would help a lot!

I bet if each ball had an incentive attached to it (like no salary and $10,000 for each ball caught), his ability to catch a football might improve!

WVSaint · 12-26-2007, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

And Henderson.... will we get anything for him?

yeah we can get something for him.....we can collect money and get him a bus ticket out of town, ill be the first to chip in.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-26-2007, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together.

Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season.

Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3.

Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now.

I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team.

I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT.

O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar.

Just a couple quick observations;

The Saints have surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL, however, I feel this has more to do with Drew having tremendous pocket awareness and having the ability of getting rid of the ball fast. As far as pocket awareness goes, I think he's right there with Peyton, but Drew has more mobility than Peyton, which allows him to escape in situations where Peyton would just take the sack.

You forgot to mention all the 3rd and longs that David gave up (hence why I call him 3rd Down).

About Mare... the thing with Mare is that we know he was playing hurt. He was money on the onside kicks, and got a lot of touchbacks... kicking field goals is very different from kicking kickoffs... now we have El Enano Pateador, who has made all field goals so far... I guess they'll compete for the spot next pre-season...

Kittykat · 12-26-2007, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

I am not sure even with your solution Henderson could hold onto the football. Fast as a speeding bullet with dead cold hands. A change of scenery and cut in salary would help a lot!

I bet if each ball had an incentive attached to it (like no salary and $10,000 for each ball caught), his ability to catch a football might improve!

*lol*

Your signature comes to mind when I think about my love/hate relationship with Henderson.

mjf150 · 12-26-2007, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kittykat

I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him.

I respect your opinion, but I can not see your justification in keeping a player, who you admittedly called the worst offensive player on the team.

Kittykat · 12-26-2007, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by mjf150

I respect your opinion, but I can not see your justification in keeping a player, who you admittedly called the worst offensive player on the team.

I've already confessed to not knowing *why* I like him. Holy cow, it's not like I have any say on who they keep and why!

Maybe I think the Magic Gloves Fairy™ will pay him a visit and he'll start catching more passes. Maybe hearing "Devery Henderson drops another pass" triggers some subliminal euphoria in my subconscious. Maybe I know that I'll never be subjected to hearing him call himself Uno Nueve.

At least I didn't say "LET'S KEEP JASON DAVID!". I'm not *that* stupid.

papz · 12-26-2007, 12:06 PM

It's Forest Gump mjf.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-26-2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by mjf150

How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes).

It's Henderson's contract year. He's going to want to be shown the money. And there will be other teams that will covet a receiver with his abilities. And of course other coaches will think they can solve the hands problems.

The Saints will not be able to afford to keep him. And IIRC didn't we spend a #1 draft pick on an explosive receiver?

SFIAH

12-26-2007, 08:45 AM	#11
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Player turnover.......... Henderson needs a major salary cut and even then I would question the front office.

12-26-2007, 09:58 AM	#12
Kittykat 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 124	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by mjf150 How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes). I know...I think I hold out hope for him because he does catch the occasional pass and make the occasional play. I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him. I do confess to cringing everytime I see him reaching for a pass... I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe.

12-26-2007, 11:23 AM	#13
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by Kittykat I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe. I am not sure even with your solution Henderson could hold onto the football. Fast as a speeding bullet with dead cold hands. A change of scenery and cut in salary would help a lot! I bet if each ball had an incentive attached to it (like no salary and $10,000 for each ball caught), his ability to catch a football might improve!

12-26-2007, 11:24 AM	#14
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 And Henderson.... will we get anything for him? yeah we can get something for him.....we can collect money and get him a bus ticket out of town, ill be the first to chip in.

12-26-2007, 11:33 AM	#15
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by TheDeuce Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together. Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season. Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3. Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now. I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team. I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT. O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar. Just a couple quick observations; The Saints have surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL, however, I feel this has more to do with Drew having tremendous pocket awareness and having the ability of getting rid of the ball fast. As far as pocket awareness goes, I think he's right there with Peyton, but Drew has more mobility than Peyton, which allows him to escape in situations where Peyton would just take the sack. You forgot to mention all the 3rd and longs that David gave up (hence why I call him 3rd Down). About Mare... the thing with Mare is that we know he was playing hurt. He was money on the onside kicks, and got a lot of touchbacks... kicking field goals is very different from kicking kickoffs... now we have El Enano Pateador, who has made all field goals so far... I guess they'll compete for the spot next pre-season...
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mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 752	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by Kittykat I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him. I respect your opinion, but I can not see your justification in keeping a player, who you admittedly called the worst offensive player on the team.
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12-26-2007, 11:56 AM	#18
Kittykat 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 124	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by mjf150 I respect your opinion, but I can not see your justification in keeping a player, who you admittedly called the worst offensive player on the team. I've already confessed to not knowing why I like him. Holy cow, it's not like I have any say on who they keep and why! Maybe I think the Magic Gloves Fairy™ will pay him a visit and he'll start catching more passes. Maybe hearing "Devery Henderson drops another pass" triggers some subliminal euphoria in my subconscious. Maybe I know that I'll never be subjected to hearing him call himself Uno Nueve. At least I didn't say "LET'S KEEP JASON DAVID!". I'm not that stupid.

12-26-2007, 12:06 PM	#19
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12-26-2007, 12:30 PM	#20
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by mjf150 How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes). It's Henderson's contract year. He's going to want to be shown the money. And there will be other teams that will covet a receiver with his abilities. And of course other coaches will think they can solve the hands problems. The Saints will not be able to afford to keep him. And IIRC didn't we spend a #1 draft pick on an explosive receiver? SFIAH