Player turnover..........

biloxi-indian · 12-25-2007, 07:50 AM

Last year during mini-camp Loomis alluded to the fact that there is ALWAYS 12 to 15 players on a team that turnover during any given year.

My question is this...Which 12 to 15 players will NOT be with the Saints in 08 (either through trades or waived)?

My possiblities are;
Henderson
Moore
Copper
Stinchcomb
Nesbit
Faine
Martin
Hollis Thomas
Simoneau
Jason David
Fred Thomas
Mare

BoudinSandwich · 12-25-2007, 07:58 AM

Of those, I'd like to keep Hollis Thomas. I think Simoneau plays well when his teammates do - so, I'm kind of on the fence with him.

Other than that, I wouldn't be upset if we lost any of the rest. I kinda dig Moore and Nesbit a bit, but if we have to lose some players...

I'm hoping we don't lose any of our running backs. I think it's going to be hard for Sean Payton to get rid of any back we have, especially when this year the supply of running backs was pretty much exhausted with injuries.

papz · 12-25-2007, 09:26 AM

Henderson, Thomas, Nesbit, and Mare most likely won't be coming back. If we don't target a certain center via free agency, then I would think we'd re-sign Faine. Let him battle with Goodwin for the center job and hope he returns to 2006 form. We should target a solid pass catching WR during the offseason to start opposite Colston.

Kittykat · 12-25-2007, 11:27 AM

I like Henderson, Moore and Copper...if we could just teach Henderson to actually HOLD ONTO a ball when he catches it. Copper's good, too, when he's on his game (I know...I know...)

I like Hollis Thomas, too.

I say we dump:

Jason David
Fred Thomas
Mark Simoneau
Scott Shanle
Jamie Martin (shouldn't we look for someone younger??)
Jason Craft

Above and beyond that, I can't think of anyone else. Mare is okay but for now I think I'll stick with the itsby-bitsy-teeny-tiny Gramatica. So maybe add Mare to the list.

mjf150 · 12-26-2007, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kittykat

I like Henderson, Moore and Copper...if we could just teach Henderson to actually HOLD ONTO a ball when he catches it.

How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes).

Papz, where did that quote about crows come from? Forrest Gump? Raising Arizona?

Kittykat · 12-26-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by mjf150

How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes).

I know...I think I hold out hope for him because he does catch the occasional pass and make the occasional play. I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him. I do confess to cringing everytime I see him reaching for a pass...

I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe.

biloxi-indian · 12-26-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kittykat

I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe.

I am not sure even with your solution Henderson could hold onto the football. Fast as a speeding bullet with dead cold hands. A change of scenery and cut in salary would help a lot!

I bet if each ball had an incentive attached to it (like no salary and $10,000 for each ball caught), his ability to catch a football might improve!

mjf150 · 12-26-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kittykat

I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him.

I respect your opinion, but I can not see your justification in keeping a player, who you admittedly called the worst offensive player on the team.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-26-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by mjf150

How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes).

It's Henderson's contract year. He's going to want to be shown the money. And there will be other teams that will covet a receiver with his abilities. And of course other coaches will think they can solve the hands problems.

The Saints will not be able to afford to keep him. And IIRC didn't we spend a #1 draft pick on an explosive receiver?

SFIAH

Bobaganoosh · 12-28-2007, 02:49 AM

it is very realistic to see this team next year without Copper, Henderson, Nesbit, Simoneau, Young, Craft, and Bullocks...but the rest of the guys should be back...that doesnt mean they will all have the same role, but they will probably be back with the team. I think the coaching staff remains largely intact, but i do see changes being made as the DB coach and the special team coach may be on the outs. Jason David, Jon Stinchcomb, and Roman Harper will still be saints in some capacity. I think that the staff needs to realize that we cant keep bringing in 2nd tier defensive guys to shore up the unit, they need to add a big name guy to the back end of the defense, and i think the draft is the way to go to add a MLB and some depth in the secondary. In a perfect world, the Saints would give up the farm for Bob Sanders OR Marcus Trufant...then have a draft that would produce a MLB, nickle corner, WR, TE and QB. We have to hope that Alleman could fill in Nesbits spot, find a WR in free agency, and bring in someone who can teach our safety to know his assignment. Its going to be a telling offseason for the club and lets hope they do the right thing.

12-25-2007, 07:58 AM	#2
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12-25-2007, 09:26 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Player turnover.......... Henderson, Thomas, Nesbit, and Mare most likely won't be coming back. If we don't target a certain center via free agency, then I would think we'd re-sign Faine. Let him battle with Goodwin for the center job and hope he returns to 2006 form. We should target a solid pass catching WR during the offseason to start opposite Colston.

12-25-2007, 11:27 AM	#4
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12-26-2007, 07:38 AM	#5
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 770	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by Kittykat I like Henderson, Moore and Copper...if we could just teach Henderson to actually HOLD ONTO a ball when he catches it. How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes). Papz, where did that quote about crows come from? Forrest Gump? Raising Arizona?
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12-26-2007, 08:58 AM	#6
Kittykat 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 124	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by mjf150 How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes). I know...I think I hold out hope for him because he does catch the occasional pass and make the occasional play. I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him. I do confess to cringing everytime I see him reaching for a pass... I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe.

12-25-2007, 07:50 AM	#1
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Player turnover.......... Last year during mini-camp Loomis alluded to the fact that there is ALWAYS 12 to 15 players on a team that turnover during any given year. My question is this...Which 12 to 15 players will NOT be with the Saints in 08 (either through trades or waived)? My possiblities are; Henderson Moore Copper Stinchcomb Nesbit Faine Martin Hollis Thomas Simoneau Jason David Fred Thomas Mare

12-26-2007, 10:23 AM	#7
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by Kittykat I'm also tempted to cover his hands in Gorilla Glue or wrap him in double sided tape from head to toe. I am not sure even with your solution Henderson could hold onto the football. Fast as a speeding bullet with dead cold hands. A change of scenery and cut in salary would help a lot! I bet if each ball had an incentive attached to it (like no salary and $10,000 for each ball caught), his ability to catch a football might improve!

12-26-2007, 10:45 AM	#8
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 770	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by Kittykat I don't think he's the worst guy on the team. Okay, maybe offensively he is. I don't know...I'd still be tempted to keep him. I respect your opinion, but I can not see your justification in keeping a player, who you admittedly called the worst offensive player on the team.
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12-26-2007, 11:30 AM	#9
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by mjf150 How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes). It's Henderson's contract year. He's going to want to be shown the money. And there will be other teams that will covet a receiver with his abilities. And of course other coaches will think they can solve the hands problems. The Saints will not be able to afford to keep him. And IIRC didn't we spend a #1 draft pick on an explosive receiver? SFIAH

12-28-2007, 02:49 AM	#10
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Player turnover.......... it is very realistic to see this team next year without Copper, Henderson, Nesbit, Simoneau, Young, Craft, and Bullocks...but the rest of the guys should be back...that doesnt mean they will all have the same role, but they will probably be back with the team. I think the coaching staff remains largely intact, but i do see changes being made as the DB coach and the special team coach may be on the outs. Jason David, Jon Stinchcomb, and Roman Harper will still be saints in some capacity. I think that the staff needs to realize that we cant keep bringing in 2nd tier defensive guys to shore up the unit, they need to add a big name guy to the back end of the defense, and i think the draft is the way to go to add a MLB and some depth in the secondary. In a perfect world, the Saints would give up the farm for Bob Sanders OR Marcus Trufant...then have a draft that would produce a MLB, nickle corner, WR, TE and QB. We have to hope that Alleman could fill in Nesbits spot, find a WR in free agency, and bring in someone who can teach our safety to know his assignment. Its going to be a telling offseason for the club and lets hope they do the right thing.
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