Player turnover..........

TheDeuce · 12-25-2007, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Last year during mini-camp Loomis alluded to the fact that there is ALWAYS 12 to 15 players on a team that turnover during any given year.

My question is this...Which 12 to 15 players will NOT be with the Saints in 08 (either through trades or waived)?

My possiblities are;
Henderson
Moore
Copper
Stinchcomb
Nesbit
Faine
Martin
Hollis Thomas
Simoneau
Jason David
Fred Thomas
Mare

Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together.

Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season.

Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3.

Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now.

I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team.

I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT.

O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-26-2007, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together.

Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season.

Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3.

Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now.

I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team.

I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT.

O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar.

Just a couple quick observations;

The Saints have surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL, however, I feel this has more to do with Drew having tremendous pocket awareness and having the ability of getting rid of the ball fast. As far as pocket awareness goes, I think he's right there with Peyton, but Drew has more mobility than Peyton, which allows him to escape in situations where Peyton would just take the sack.

You forgot to mention all the 3rd and longs that David gave up (hence why I call him 3rd Down).

About Mare... the thing with Mare is that we know he was playing hurt. He was money on the onside kicks, and got a lot of touchbacks... kicking field goals is very different from kicking kickoffs... now we have El Enano Pateador, who has made all field goals so far... I guess they'll compete for the spot next pre-season...

12-25-2007, 08:48 PM	#1
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Last year during mini-camp Loomis alluded to the fact that there is ALWAYS 12 to 15 players on a team that turnover during any given year. My question is this...Which 12 to 15 players will NOT be with the Saints in 08 (either through trades or waived)? My possiblities are; Henderson Moore Copper Stinchcomb Nesbit Faine Martin Hollis Thomas Simoneau Jason David Fred Thomas Mare Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together. Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season. Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3. Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now. I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team. I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT. O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar.
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12-26-2007, 10:33 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Player turnover.......... Originally Posted by TheDeuce Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together. Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season. Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3. Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now. I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team. I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT. O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar. Just a couple quick observations; The Saints have surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL, however, I feel this has more to do with Drew having tremendous pocket awareness and having the ability of getting rid of the ball fast. As far as pocket awareness goes, I think he's right there with Peyton, but Drew has more mobility than Peyton, which allows him to escape in situations where Peyton would just take the sack. You forgot to mention all the 3rd and longs that David gave up (hence why I call him 3rd Down). About Mare... the thing with Mare is that we know he was playing hurt. He was money on the onside kicks, and got a lot of touchbacks... kicking field goals is very different from kicking kickoffs... now we have El Enano Pateador, who has made all field goals so far... I guess they'll compete for the spot next pre-season...
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