Dont believe everything you read...

Champ Kind · 12-29-2007, 05:58 PM

Bush, when he is healthy, is a great player. He may not be an every down RB but he does force defenses to focus on him. I would like to get the Forte kid from Tulane, maybe 2nd or 3rd round if we think Deuce won't return to form. Reminds me of Deuce. I just don't think Stecker or PT will be a force in the NFL, and I don't think we should settle for journeyman RB's.
I definitely think Gibbs should be gone yesterday

LongTimeFan · 12-29-2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Champ Kind

Bush, when he is healthy, is a great player. He may not be an every down RB but he does force defenses to focus on him. I would like to get the Forte kid from Tulane, maybe 2nd or 3rd round if we think Deuce won't return to form. Reminds me of Deuce. I just don't think Stecker or PT will be a force in the NFL, and I don't think we should settle for journeyman RB's.
I definitely think Gibbs should be gone yesterday

I don't see a problem with Gibbs or his play calling, it's just he doesn't have the right personal on the field..

WillMacKenzie · 12-29-2007, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

I don't see a problem with Gibbs or his play calling, it's just he doesn't have the right personal on the field..

paaaaaah hahahahaha If Gibbs is the answer, it must be a stupid question.

hagan714 · 12-29-2007, 11:06 PM

Yeah all those players are the players he wanted? He got all the picks he wanted? Signed all the FA he wanted? Not really a stupid answer is it? Well to logical questions at least.

CheramieIII · 12-30-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

This is going to be a big offseason for the franchise as a whole. I am going to predict the following things to happen before the summertime:

-Rick Mueller will be fired.
-At least 3 assisstant coaches will be fired.
-Deuce will be RELEASED! (He is 29, two major knee injuries, and makes a ton of money...all that equals ZERO TRADE VALUE so get that thought out of your minds now.)
-There will finally be an attempt to really overhaul the defense.
-Jason David will still be on the roster.
-Reggie Bush will be told to grow up, man up, and stop only thinking about himself.
-Robert Meachem will be healthy and he will be the guy everyone talks about leading up to training camp and about how now things are like "Night and Day" when compared to his first year.
-The Saints will draft yet another RB relatively high in the draft.
-Marques Colston will get a long term deal from the Saints.
-The Saints will be the odds on favorite to win the NFC South before camp starts.

Those are my 10 predictions for the Saints over the next 6 months...lets see what the big guy knows.

1. Who cares about Mueller.
2. I bet there all defensive coaches.
3. Duh.
4. Duh again.
5. But he won't be a starter.
6. He hasn't already?
7. What does this guy look like?
8. Refer to #3.
9. No s*%t!
10. I'll bet you that we're not.

I would agree that you have some information (or insight) sometimes that most of us don't, but you're going to have to come better then this Bob.

A prediction with inside information would be that we are going to trade Bush to the Patriots for Seymour, Watson, Samuel and Gay.

Now that's a prediction.

WillMacKenzie · 12-30-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Yeah all those players are the players he wanted? He got all the picks he wanted? Signed all the FA he wanted? Not really a stupid answer is it? Well to logical questions at least.

You think the Colts got everyone they wanted last year at the bottom of the draft? And they didn't have to replace about a hundred people on it?

They got a bunch of no names with speed and their defense is 3rd in the NFL.

*buzzer* What is...coaching? Right again for $500.

We could've no doubt drafted more defensive players, and no doubt drafted FASTER players. Payton decided we'd draft around "character", and look where that sorry trail has led us. I could hire a convent of Nuns with a ton of character, but could they stop Kyle Orton? Doubt it.

NarwhalHunter · 12-30-2007, 10:18 PM

-Rick Mueller will be fired.
Wouldn't surprise me. Our scouting has been fairly hit or miss, usually miss.

-At least 3 assisstant coaches will be fired.
Also wouldn't surprise me; I'd say Gibbs and/or Vitt are likely candidates.

-Deuce will be RELEASED! (He is 29, two major knee injuries, and makes a ton of money...all that equals ZERO TRADE VALUE so get that thought out of your minds now.)
50-50 on that happening. Depends on his rehab and the RB situation come the offseason.

-There will finally be an attempt to really overhaul the defense.
God I hope so.

-Jason David will still be on the roster.
God I hope not.

-Reggie Bush will be told to grow up, man up, and stop only thinking about himself.
Hopefully he takes it to heart. It took Tiki Barber a couple years to put everything together, I'm not ready to write him off yet.

-Robert Meachem will be healthy and he will be the guy everyone talks about leading up to training camp and about how now things are like "Night and Day" when compared to his first year.
God I hope so; he may have been a good investment for the future but when guys like Posluszny, Houston, and Branch were all still on the board for that pick it's a hard pill to swallow and gets us to playing 'what if' with this season. I fear for the fact that he couldn't crack any spot in the lineup, then look at how Simoneau started 16 games and realize it's not such a big deal.

-The Saints will draft yet another RB relatively high in the draft.
God I hope not, but I completely see it happening. Bush, Stecker, and Thomas alone would be more than enough, but Payton just can't seem to get enough toys to play with so a big bruiser in the 2nd is highly likely. So will be another one of my broken remotes come draft day.

-Marques Colston will get a long term deal from the Saints.
If this doesn't happen I swear I will do a GTA style drive by on every single thing on Airline Drive.

-The Saints will be the odds on favorite to win the NFC South before camp starts.
Because that worked out so well for us this year...

hagan714 · 12-31-2007, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

You think the Colts got everyone they wanted last year at the bottom of the draft? And they didn't have to replace about a hundred people on it?

They got a bunch of no names with speed and their defense is 3rd in the NFL.

*buzzer* What is...coaching? Right again for $500.

We could've no doubt drafted more defensive players, and no doubt drafted FASTER players. Payton decided we'd draft around "character", and look where that sorry trail has led us. I could hire a convent of Nuns with a ton of character, but could they stop Kyle Orton? Doubt it.

I think you need to look at the colts defense again, No names? while your at it look at the picks used to draft those players. No names because they are just getting on the field in the NFL. But when most were drafted they were not no names. We are no where as deep as colts are. Dungy has been building the unit for a few years now, But he had a great offense when he signed on. Lets compare apples and oranges? Sean had diddle pooh when he got here

SoulStar · 12-31-2007, 12:28 PM

As for the colts drafting a bunch of no names this year and still having a really good def. Coaching is part of it, but Bob Sanders is a bigger part of it. With out him in the lineup any team can have a good amount of push on offense vs the colts def.

Bobaganoosh, thanks for the input and insight. Everything you said makes sense, and I pray to god we actually get a real middle linebacker.

Bobaganoosh · 12-31-2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

1. Who cares about Mueller.
2. I bet there all defensive coaches.
3. Duh.
4. Duh again.
5. But he won't be a starter.
6. He hasn't already?
7. What does this guy look like?
8. Refer to #3.
9. No s*%t!
10. I'll bet you that we're not.

I would agree that you have some information (or insight) sometimes that most of us don't, but you're going to have to come better then this Bob.

A prediction with inside information would be that we are going to trade Bush to the Patriots for Seymour, Watson, Samuel and Gay.

Now that's a prediction.

you can take it how you want...you think that everything i said would be obvious...ok...sorry if it didnt do anything for you. as far as predictions, anyone can come up with the nonsense you came up with...i was just trying to give you a rundown of what is "likely" to happen. But you are one of those kids who thinks trading Bush and McAllister is a great idea with no ramifications and that will fix everything. Yeah, people who know football definitely feel better about themselves after talking to you.

12-29-2007, 05:58 PM	#11
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Bush, when he is healthy, is a great player. He may not be an every down RB but he does force defenses to focus on him. I would like to get the Forte kid from Tulane, maybe 2nd or 3rd round if we think Deuce won't return to form. Reminds me of Deuce. I just don't think Stecker or PT will be a force in the NFL, and I don't think we should settle for journeyman RB's. I definitely think Gibbs should be gone yesterday

12-29-2007, 06:36 PM	#12
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Originally Posted by Champ Kind Bush, when he is healthy, is a great player. He may not be an every down RB but he does force defenses to focus on him. I would like to get the Forte kid from Tulane, maybe 2nd or 3rd round if we think Deuce won't return to form. Reminds me of Deuce. I just don't think Stecker or PT will be a force in the NFL, and I don't think we should settle for journeyman RB's. I definitely think Gibbs should be gone yesterday I don't see a problem with Gibbs or his play calling, it's just he doesn't have the right personal on the field..

12-29-2007, 10:03 PM	#13
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Originally Posted by LongTimeFan I don't see a problem with Gibbs or his play calling, it's just he doesn't have the right personal on the field.. paaaaaah hahahahaha If Gibbs is the answer, it must be a stupid question.

12-29-2007, 11:06 PM	#14
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Yeah all those players are the players he wanted? He got all the picks he wanted? Signed all the FA he wanted? Not really a stupid answer is it? Well to logical questions at least.

12-30-2007, 10:43 AM	#15
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh This is going to be a big offseason for the franchise as a whole. I am going to predict the following things to happen before the summertime: -Rick Mueller will be fired. -At least 3 assisstant coaches will be fired. -Deuce will be RELEASED! (He is 29, two major knee injuries, and makes a ton of money...all that equals ZERO TRADE VALUE so get that thought out of your minds now.) -There will finally be an attempt to really overhaul the defense. -Jason David will still be on the roster. -Reggie Bush will be told to grow up, man up, and stop only thinking about himself. -Robert Meachem will be healthy and he will be the guy everyone talks about leading up to training camp and about how now things are like "Night and Day" when compared to his first year. -The Saints will draft yet another RB relatively high in the draft. -Marques Colston will get a long term deal from the Saints. -The Saints will be the odds on favorite to win the NFC South before camp starts. Those are my 10 predictions for the Saints over the next 6 months...lets see what the big guy knows. 1. Who cares about Mueller. 2. I bet there all defensive coaches. 3. Duh. 4. Duh again. 5. But he won't be a starter. 6. He hasn't already? 7. What does this guy look like? 8. Refer to #3. 9. No s*%t! 10. I'll bet you that we're not. I would agree that you have some information (or insight) sometimes that most of us don't, but you're going to have to come better then this Bob. A prediction with inside information would be that we are going to trade Bush to the Patriots for Seymour, Watson, Samuel and Gay. Now that's a prediction.
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12-30-2007, 03:46 PM	#16
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Originally Posted by hagan714 Yeah all those players are the players he wanted? He got all the picks he wanted? Signed all the FA he wanted? Not really a stupid answer is it? Well to logical questions at least. You think the Colts got everyone they wanted last year at the bottom of the draft? And they didn't have to replace about a hundred people on it? They got a bunch of no names with speed and their defense is 3rd in the NFL. buzzer What is...coaching? Right again for $500. We could've no doubt drafted more defensive players, and no doubt drafted FASTER players. Payton decided we'd draft around "character", and look where that sorry trail has led us. I could hire a convent of Nuns with a ton of character, but could they stop Kyle Orton? Doubt it.

12-30-2007, 10:18 PM	#17
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dont believe everything you read... -Rick Mueller will be fired. Wouldn't surprise me. Our scouting has been fairly hit or miss, usually miss. -At least 3 assisstant coaches will be fired. Also wouldn't surprise me; I'd say Gibbs and/or Vitt are likely candidates. -Deuce will be RELEASED! (He is 29, two major knee injuries, and makes a ton of money...all that equals ZERO TRADE VALUE so get that thought out of your minds now.) 50-50 on that happening. Depends on his rehab and the RB situation come the offseason. -There will finally be an attempt to really overhaul the defense. God I hope so. -Jason David will still be on the roster. God I hope not. -Reggie Bush will be told to grow up, man up, and stop only thinking about himself. Hopefully he takes it to heart. It took Tiki Barber a couple years to put everything together, I'm not ready to write him off yet. -Robert Meachem will be healthy and he will be the guy everyone talks about leading up to training camp and about how now things are like "Night and Day" when compared to his first year. God I hope so; he may have been a good investment for the future but when guys like Posluszny, Houston, and Branch were all still on the board for that pick it's a hard pill to swallow and gets us to playing 'what if' with this season. I fear for the fact that he couldn't crack any spot in the lineup, then look at how Simoneau started 16 games and realize it's not such a big deal. -The Saints will draft yet another RB relatively high in the draft. God I hope not, but I completely see it happening. Bush, Stecker, and Thomas alone would be more than enough, but Payton just can't seem to get enough toys to play with so a big bruiser in the 2nd is highly likely. So will be another one of my broken remotes come draft day. -Marques Colston will get a long term deal from the Saints. If this doesn't happen I swear I will do a GTA style drive by on every single thing on Airline Drive. -The Saints will be the odds on favorite to win the NFC South before camp starts. Because that worked out so well for us this year...

12-31-2007, 05:36 AM	#18
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie You think the Colts got everyone they wanted last year at the bottom of the draft? And they didn't have to replace about a hundred people on it? They got a bunch of no names with speed and their defense is 3rd in the NFL. buzzer What is...coaching? Right again for $500. We could've no doubt drafted more defensive players, and no doubt drafted FASTER players. Payton decided we'd draft around "character", and look where that sorry trail has led us. I could hire a convent of Nuns with a ton of character, but could they stop Kyle Orton? Doubt it. I think you need to look at the colts defense again, No names? while your at it look at the picks used to draft those players. No names because they are just getting on the field in the NFL. But when most were drafted they were not no names. We are no where as deep as colts are. Dungy has been building the unit for a few years now, But he had a great offense when he signed on. Lets compare apples and oranges? Sean had diddle pooh when he got here

12-31-2007, 12:28 PM	#19
SoulStar 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arlington Tx Posts: 157	Re: Dont believe everything you read... As for the colts drafting a bunch of no names this year and still having a really good def. Coaching is part of it, but Bob Sanders is a bigger part of it. With out him in the lineup any team can have a good amount of push on offense vs the colts def. Bobaganoosh, thanks for the input and insight. Everything you said makes sense, and I pray to god we actually get a real middle linebacker.

12-31-2007, 01:11 PM	#20
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dont believe everything you read... Originally Posted by CheramieIII 1. Who cares about Mueller. 2. I bet there all defensive coaches. 3. Duh. 4. Duh again. 5. But he won't be a starter. 6. He hasn't already? 7. What does this guy look like? 8. Refer to #3. 9. No s*%t! 10. I'll bet you that we're not. I would agree that you have some information (or insight) sometimes that most of us don't, but you're going to have to come better then this Bob. A prediction with inside information would be that we are going to trade Bush to the Patriots for Seymour, Watson, Samuel and Gay. Now that's a prediction. you can take it how you want...you think that everything i said would be obvious...ok...sorry if it didnt do anything for you. as far as predictions, anyone can come up with the nonsense you came up with...i was just trying to give you a rundown of what is "likely" to happen. But you are one of those kids who thinks trading Bush and McAllister is a great idea with no ramifications and that will fix everything. Yeah, people who know football definitely feel better about themselves after talking to you.