Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look

hagan714 · 03-04-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by o1higuy

Don't hammer me too much but what are the chances David being a suprise improvment next year after a full year in our system and a full training camp under his belt? I know it is hard to imagin because he was so bad, but is mediocre too much to ask?

I wont. I believe he will be one of the best #3s in the NFL, he gets S and MLB help.

WillMacKenzie · 03-05-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players?

just a few points - even people on this very board saw that Jason David would not make the "impact" he was supposed to make, citing the same reasons mentioned about playing Tampa 2. Now we have a similar situation with Randall Gay - a New Englang backup.

according to your logic, "if he was this good...he would've been playing", Pierre Thomas would've started every game. (see: multiple flashes of brilliance throughout the year) Apparently the fans were not as stupid as the coaches thought. If WE could see that the kid was good, wtf were they waiting for to throw him in the game? Simmons is better than Simoneau - bank on it.

Drew Brees was a matter of chance. It was simply a gamble that paid off. But as you can see, even Brees can be up and down. 2007 season was forgettable. We beat the odds 1 time with Brees and now the front office thinks it's essential to gamble every year, you cannot beat the odds every roll of the dice my friend. I hope Vilma DOES work out, but I have my doubts.

Vilma was a beast his first 2 years, what has he done lately? Briggs, Zach Thomas, Adalius Thomas a year ago, Hamlin, Samuels, Deon Grant, you mean to tell me we couldn't cough up enough coin to get ONE of these proven guys? Oh i forgot, they aren't injured, nor cheap enough.

Let's just hope you're right and we address the defense more in the draft.

NYSaintsFan · 03-05-2008, 05:15 PM

The Signing of Vilma was a ZERO risk move... IF his knee fully heals and is the player he was in the first two years(when he was in the 4-3) Then we got one of the biggest steals in NFL history. If his leg dose not heal 100% then he is still an upgrade over Siminoux...and if his leg doesnt heal at all...we give up a lousy 4th rounder. Im willing to take the chance of one of the best young linebackers in the game for a 4th round draft pick any day...

PS. McKray is going to be a major impact to the D-Line..he is a tall guy who can get his hands up and knock down some balls, and he can get to the QB, so Donovan McNabb doesnt have 10 min to throw the ball like last year.

papz · 03-05-2008, 05:40 PM

That's a stretch... a steal maybe... but not one of the biggest in NFL history. Superstars can be had for 2nd or 3rd round picks these days.

03-04-2008, 09:49 PM	#11
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l Originally Posted by o1higuy Don't hammer me too much but what are the chances David being a suprise improvment next year after a full year in our system and a full training camp under his belt? I know it is hard to imagin because he was so bad, but is mediocre too much to ask? I wont. I believe he will be one of the best #3s in the NFL, he gets S and MLB help.

03-05-2008, 02:22 PM	#12
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l Originally Posted by jnormand First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players? just a few points - even people on this very board saw that Jason David would not make the "impact" he was supposed to make, citing the same reasons mentioned about playing Tampa 2. Now we have a similar situation with Randall Gay - a New Englang backup. according to your logic, "if he was this good...he would've been playing", Pierre Thomas would've started every game. (see: multiple flashes of brilliance throughout the year) Apparently the fans were not as stupid as the coaches thought. If WE could see that the kid was good, wtf were they waiting for to throw him in the game? Simmons is better than Simoneau - bank on it. Drew Brees was a matter of chance. It was simply a gamble that paid off. But as you can see, even Brees can be up and down. 2007 season was forgettable. We beat the odds 1 time with Brees and now the front office thinks it's essential to gamble every year, you cannot beat the odds every roll of the dice my friend. I hope Vilma DOES work out, but I have my doubts. Vilma was a beast his first 2 years, what has he done lately? Briggs, Zach Thomas, Adalius Thomas a year ago, Hamlin, Samuels, Deon Grant, you mean to tell me we couldn't cough up enough coin to get ONE of these proven guys? Oh i forgot, they aren't injured, nor cheap enough. Let's just hope you're right and we address the defense more in the draft.

03-05-2008, 05:15 PM	#13
NYSaintsFan Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l The Signing of Vilma was a ZERO risk move... IF his knee fully heals and is the player he was in the first two years(when he was in the 4-3) Then we got one of the biggest steals in NFL history. If his leg dose not heal 100% then he is still an upgrade over Siminoux...and if his leg doesnt heal at all...we give up a lousy 4th rounder. Im willing to take the chance of one of the best young linebackers in the game for a 4th round draft pick any day... PS. McKray is going to be a major impact to the D-Line..he is a tall guy who can get his hands up and knock down some balls, and he can get to the QB, so Donovan McNabb doesnt have 10 min to throw the ball like last year.
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03-05-2008, 05:40 PM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l That's a stretch... a steal maybe... but not one of the biggest in NFL history. Superstars can be had for 2nd or 3rd round picks these days.

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