Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look

QBREES9 · 03-04-2008, 08:16 AM

Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look- NOLA.com

Linebacker Jonathan Vilma (trade from the Jets), cornerback Randall Gay (free-agent signee from the Patriots) and defensive end Bobby McCray (free-agent pickup from the Jaguars) are symbols of the Saints' commitment to upgrading a porous defense. They are pieces that are glaringly necessary if the team wants to climb back to the level of contender.

But so were linebacker Brian Simmons, cornerback Jason David and safety Kevin Kaesviharn last year.

saintsfan1976 · 03-04-2008, 08:53 AM

duuuuuuh.

gptsaintsfan · 03-04-2008, 01:04 PM

My thoughts exactly.

Supersaint19 · 03-04-2008, 01:10 PM

you cant compare simmons to vilma or david to gay

FireVenturi · 03-04-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Supersaint19

you cant compare simmons to vilma or david to gay

David is Gay...What? Sorry, couldn't resist!

SapperSaint · 03-04-2008, 02:36 PM

and this all seems odd because???????

Remember what team we root for people. "HOPE", should be this years t-shirt.

Here is the first commercial of the year.
Now picture in you head; the screen gives you the look through a helmet. Across from you is a WR. (Heart beat in the background) Then, you here a voice: "Oh man, I "HOPE" the QB doesn't throw the ball to this guy"

The camera pans back to reveil the you were Jason David. The screen fades out to the word....."HOPE".

When it's all said and done with "hope" is all Saints fans really have at the begining of the season. So in the words of Tiny Tim, "God Bless us, everyone."

WillMacKenzie · 03-04-2008, 03:22 PM

just caught wind a mediocre corner back was just placed on injured reserve on the AFL Desperados - mickey loomis

hurry up and sign him before someone else scoops him up, he seems to fit right into our philosophy and system. earn it. - sean payton

WHY are the Saints constantly trying to build new houses with used, sub-par lumber.

Randall Gay - oh yeah, HE ought to do it. Jason David reborn.
Vilma - GET REAL, the dude just missed half a season when a piece of dead bone got lodged in his knee. i just hope he was worth the risk
McCray - was he even in the NFL?
Lehan - no explanation necessary

released brian simmons over mark simoneau...this man love for simoneau is worse than brooks and haslett

none of this looks good to me. much less a sure bet. these moves show me that the saints still aren't serious. eventually, if you want to win you're going to have to cough up some money and sign a named playmaker.

jnormand · 03-04-2008, 04:09 PM

First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players?

WillMacKenzie · 03-05-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players?

just a few points - even people on this very board saw that Jason David would not make the "impact" he was supposed to make, citing the same reasons mentioned about playing Tampa 2. Now we have a similar situation with Randall Gay - a New Englang backup.

according to your logic, "if he was this good...he would've been playing", Pierre Thomas would've started every game. (see: multiple flashes of brilliance throughout the year) Apparently the fans were not as stupid as the coaches thought. If WE could see that the kid was good, wtf were they waiting for to throw him in the game? Simmons is better than Simoneau - bank on it.

Drew Brees was a matter of chance. It was simply a gamble that paid off. But as you can see, even Brees can be up and down. 2007 season was forgettable. We beat the odds 1 time with Brees and now the front office thinks it's essential to gamble every year, you cannot beat the odds every roll of the dice my friend. I hope Vilma DOES work out, but I have my doubts.

Vilma was a beast his first 2 years, what has he done lately? Briggs, Zach Thomas, Adalius Thomas a year ago, Hamlin, Samuels, Deon Grant, you mean to tell me we couldn't cough up enough coin to get ONE of these proven guys? Oh i forgot, they aren't injured, nor cheap enough.

Let's just hope you're right and we address the defense more in the draft.

hagan714 · 03-04-2008, 09:25 PM

Look we do not know what we have at MLB till the doctor talks.
Cb we got a good #2 and david can be swapped for #3. Now I am waiting for #1. Young?
McCray i Love the pick up.

03-04-2008, 01:10 PM	#4
Supersaint19 Registered Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 59	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l you cant compare simmons to vilma or david to gay
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03-04-2008, 08:31 PM	#5
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l Originally Posted by Supersaint19 you cant compare simmons to vilma or david to gay David is Gay...What? Sorry, couldn't resist!

03-04-2008, 02:36 PM	#6
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l and this all seems odd because??????? Remember what team we root for people. "HOPE", should be this years t-shirt. Here is the first commercial of the year. Now picture in you head; the screen gives you the look through a helmet. Across from you is a WR. (Heart beat in the background) Then, you here a voice: "Oh man, I "HOPE" the QB doesn't throw the ball to this guy" The camera pans back to reveil the you were Jason David. The screen fades out to the word....."HOPE". When it's all said and done with "hope" is all Saints fans really have at the begining of the season. So in the words of Tiny Tim, "God Bless us, everyone."
	"We are number one. All others are number two, or lower." -The Sphinx http://blackandgold.com/groups/28-ou...tsman-s-corner

03-04-2008, 03:22 PM	#7
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l just caught wind a mediocre corner back was just placed on injured reserve on the AFL Desperados - mickey loomis hurry up and sign him before someone else scoops him up, he seems to fit right into our philosophy and system. earn it. - sean payton WHY are the Saints constantly trying to build new houses with used, sub-par lumber. Randall Gay - oh yeah, HE ought to do it. Jason David reborn. Vilma - GET REAL, the dude just missed half a season when a piece of dead bone got lodged in his knee. i just hope he was worth the risk McCray - was he even in the NFL? Lehan - no explanation necessary released brian simmons over mark simoneau...this man love for simoneau is worse than brooks and haslett none of this looks good to me. much less a sure bet. these moves show me that the saints still aren't serious. eventually, if you want to win you're going to have to cough up some money and sign a named playmaker.

03-04-2008, 04:09 PM	#8
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,735	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players?

03-04-2008, 08:16 AM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they look- NOLA.com Linebacker Jonathan Vilma (trade from the Jets), cornerback Randall Gay (free-agent signee from the Patriots) and defensive end Bobby McCray (free-agent pickup from the Jaguars) are symbols of the Saints' commitment to upgrading a porous defense. They are pieces that are glaringly necessary if the team wants to climb back to the level of contender. But so were linebacker Brian Simmons, cornerback Jason David and safety Kevin Kaesviharn last year.

03-04-2008, 08:53 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l duuuuuuh.

03-04-2008, 01:04 PM	#3
gptsaintsfan THE BEAST Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 85	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l My thoughts exactly.

03-05-2008, 02:22 PM	#9
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l Originally Posted by jnormand First of all, know one could have guessed that 1st Down David was going to be such a bust. I doubt that Brian Simmons was playing better than Mark Simoneau or he would have been on the field more. Jonathan Vilma might not work out, but odds are that he will and we will be better for it. Vilma is a "Playmaker" and was a very sought after LB in free agency. Was Drew Brees worth the risk? I doubt that Gay is penciled in a starter, however, he will have his opportunity to try in camp. McCray did pretty well for the Jags, he isn't going to start, he is only going to be in a rotation with Smith and Grant. Know one can tell what impact a new player will have after signing him. I think the team is obviously committed to shoring up a pretty bad defense. I'm not worried about the defense. I think it will be addressed in the draft as well. Besides not getting Asante Samuel, who else did this team miss as far a free agent defensive players? just a few points - even people on this very board saw that Jason David would not make the "impact" he was supposed to make, citing the same reasons mentioned about playing Tampa 2. Now we have a similar situation with Randall Gay - a New Englang backup. according to your logic, "if he was this good...he would've been playing", Pierre Thomas would've started every game. (see: multiple flashes of brilliance throughout the year) Apparently the fans were not as stupid as the coaches thought. If WE could see that the kid was good, wtf were they waiting for to throw him in the game? Simmons is better than Simoneau - bank on it. Drew Brees was a matter of chance. It was simply a gamble that paid off. But as you can see, even Brees can be up and down. 2007 season was forgettable. We beat the odds 1 time with Brees and now the front office thinks it's essential to gamble every year, you cannot beat the odds every roll of the dice my friend. I hope Vilma DOES work out, but I have my doubts. Vilma was a beast his first 2 years, what has he done lately? Briggs, Zach Thomas, Adalius Thomas a year ago, Hamlin, Samuels, Deon Grant, you mean to tell me we couldn't cough up enough coin to get ONE of these proven guys? Oh i forgot, they aren't injured, nor cheap enough. Let's just hope you're right and we address the defense more in the draft.

03-04-2008, 09:25 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Let's hope Saints' moves turn out as good as they l Look we do not know what we have at MLB till the doctor talks. Cb we got a good #2 and david can be swapped for #3. Now I am waiting for #1. Young? McCray i Love the pick up.