The Truth About Reggie

bobad · 03-18-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by JigsawofPoker

If Warrick Dunn... what's the difference? Well.. Bush doesn't follow blockers as well. Those are things that can be corrected.

If it was just that, I would be very optimistic about Reggie. Reggie is also missing something that most RB's have, and that's a little 6th sense that tells him when to duck. When Dunn was about to go down, he would duck and squirt forward and maximize his run without heavy contact. Reggie does that at times, but far too many times his run ends by a direct hit that puts him on his back. Size doesn't matter when you get hit squarely. Whether you weigh 180 or 280, it will end your career sooner rather than later. Reggie needs to learn to finish his runs before he gets killed.

thesaintsfan · 03-18-2008, 05:03 PM

You guys have brought up some great points. I'm glad to see that most of you are with me and haven't given up on Reggie yet. Thanks for the feedback, now I'll use some of the points ya'll brought up and use them as my own to crush local Reggie haters.

SVSaint · 03-17-2008, 03:53 PM

I have always felt that Reggie does a pretty good job when running between the tackles. It has always irked me when I see so many people say that he CANT do it. It seemed to me that every game Reggie would bust a few runs up the middle and get pretty good yardage. So I went to Yahoo's page that has situational stats on all players, and what do you know Reggie's YPC average for 2007 was 4.4 when running up the middle. I also noticed that this was up from 2006 where is YPC up the middle was at 2.6. I think for 2006 it was an actual fact that he was not effective when running between the tackles, but he actually improved in that aspect for 2007.

Link to Yahoo Situational Stats

Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

SVSaint · 03-17-2008, 04:10 PM

I always read about how Reggie is incapable of running between the tackles and it irks me because it seems to me that every game Reggie hits a few runs up between the tackles and gets good yardage. It seems to me that Reggie gets in trouble when trying to bounce it out and outrun the defense. So I went to yahoo sports and checked out Reggies situational states and what do you know Reggie's highest YPC is when he runs between the tackles, up the middle in particular with a 4.4 YPC average. Between the tackles he is right at 4 YPC or 3.966666666666 YPC. As I stated above he gets in trouble when trying to go Wide Left or Wide Right where he is at 3.4 and 3.0 YPC respectively. Believe it or not Reggie has improved running between the tackles because in 2006 he only averaged 2.6 YPC when rushing up the Middle and a total YPC between the tackles of 2.966666 YPC. I linked to the situational stats below for you guys to see.

Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Sorry this seems like a duplicate of the one below but the same message, my computer was acting up.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 04:12 PM

Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well.

Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for.

What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.

SVSaint · 03-17-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well.

Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for.

What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.

Role player or not at USC he was VERY productive and that is what people were looking at when he was coming out. I agree that he created excitement and is putting money in the team's pockets and I am sure that played alot into the decision to draft him along with his productivity. I really think it is too early to tell but he has not lived up to the hype but he hasn't been totally unproductive either.

saintsfan1976 · 03-17-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.

A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed.

We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book.

It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed.

We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book.

It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him.

I tend to think we agree on this topic however you contridicted yourself by agreeing he is a role player but then stated he is being asked to do to much... he is asked to play those roles... as a role player. That is what a role player does. "Play this role and make something happen"!

I do agree being the feature back was NEVER the intention nor should anyone thing that... yet they do.

Papa Voodoo · 03-17-2008, 04:40 PM

Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney.

Thats exactly what they do and when they do that people say, well they aren't using him properly.

03-18-2008, 02:42 PM	#1
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by JigsawofPoker If Warrick Dunn... what's the difference? Well.. Bush doesn't follow blockers as well. Those are things that can be corrected. If it was just that, I would be very optimistic about Reggie. Reggie is also missing something that most RB's have, and that's a little 6th sense that tells him when to duck. When Dunn was about to go down, he would duck and squirt forward and maximize his run without heavy contact. Reggie does that at times, but far too many times his run ends by a direct hit that puts him on his back. Size doesn't matter when you get hit squarely. Whether you weigh 180 or 280, it will end your career sooner rather than later. Reggie needs to learn to finish his runs before he gets killed.
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03-18-2008, 05:03 PM	#2
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: The Truth About Reggie You guys have brought up some great points. I'm glad to see that most of you are with me and haven't given up on Reggie yet. Thanks for the feedback, now I'll use some of the points ya'll brought up and use them as my own to crush local Reggie haters.

03-17-2008, 03:53 PM	#3
SVSaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie I have always felt that Reggie does a pretty good job when running between the tackles. It has always irked me when I see so many people say that he CANT do it. It seemed to me that every game Reggie would bust a few runs up the middle and get pretty good yardage. So I went to Yahoo's page that has situational stats on all players, and what do you know Reggie's YPC average for 2007 was 4.4 when running up the middle. I also noticed that this was up from 2006 where is YPC up the middle was at 2.6. I think for 2006 it was an actual fact that he was not effective when running between the tackles, but he actually improved in that aspect for 2007. Link to Yahoo Situational Stats Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
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03-17-2008, 04:10 PM	#4
SVSaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie I always read about how Reggie is incapable of running between the tackles and it irks me because it seems to me that every game Reggie hits a few runs up between the tackles and gets good yardage. It seems to me that Reggie gets in trouble when trying to bounce it out and outrun the defense. So I went to yahoo sports and checked out Reggies situational states and what do you know Reggie's highest YPC is when he runs between the tackles, up the middle in particular with a 4.4 YPC average. Between the tackles he is right at 4 YPC or 3.966666666666 YPC. As I stated above he gets in trouble when trying to go Wide Left or Wide Right where he is at 3.4 and 3.0 YPC respectively. Believe it or not Reggie has improved running between the tackles because in 2006 he only averaged 2.6 YPC when rushing up the Middle and a total YPC between the tackles of 2.966666 YPC. I linked to the situational stats below for you guys to see. Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports Sorry this seems like a duplicate of the one below but the same message, my computer was acting up.
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03-17-2008, 04:12 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well. Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for. What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.
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03-17-2008, 04:17 PM	#6
SVSaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Euphoria Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well. Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for. What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more. Role player or not at USC he was VERY productive and that is what people were looking at when he was coming out. I agree that he created excitement and is putting money in the team's pockets and I am sure that played alot into the decision to draft him along with his productivity. I really think it is too early to tell but he has not lived up to the hype but he hasn't been totally unproductive either.
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03-17-2008, 05:26 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,024 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Euphoria USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more. A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed. We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book. It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him.

03-17-2008, 05:56 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed. We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book. It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him. I tend to think we agree on this topic however you contridicted yourself by agreeing he is a role player but then stated he is being asked to do to much... he is asked to play those roles... as a role player. That is what a role player does. "Play this role and make something happen"! I do agree being the feature back was NEVER the intention nor should anyone thing that... yet they do.

03-17-2008, 04:40 PM	#9
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: The Truth About Reggie Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney.

03-17-2008, 05:06 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney. Thats exactly what they do and when they do that people say, well they aren't using him properly.