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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by dasaints26 In my opinion it would be a greater benefit to not move up if the Falcons want Dorsey with all the offensive talent they could choose from if they decide to draft a big body to ...
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04-20-2008, 11:51 AM | #101 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by dasaints26
Are we talking about the same Dorsey??? Glen Dorsey out of LSU right???
Well the thing you fail to realize or mention is that Dorsey isn't the run stuffer that you claim. Dorsey is the game changer... Dorsey is the Pass Rusher... Dorsey is the disrupter... You take your eye off of him or don't game plan this guy you will lose. You don't see it a lot in football where a DT who can single handedly win games... thats never been said about a DT. There is no illusion that if he came out last year he would be a top 4 pick and none this year that we won't end up being a top 4 pick this year. |
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04-20-2008, 11:56 AM | #102 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by CantonLegend
Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???
or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY! |
04-20-2008, 12:57 PM | #103 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it
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04-20-2008, 01:29 PM | #104 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Yes it was... read the other posts.
Why does people thing it will cost us next years pick... read the article. Its only going to cost us this years 2nd rounder. Maybe sweaten the deal with 6 or 7 but the discussion was only for the second rounder!!! That is a bargin! |
04-20-2008, 03:40 PM | #105 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by CantonLegend
it won't cost us a 1st rounder next year, and TBH, if they asked for our 10th and our 1st next year, I'd STILL do the trade simply because I expect us to atleast win the division and get to the playoffs. if we had a 10th and a 26th overall pick this year, would you trade them both for the #2 overall? I know I would. this is basically the same thing.
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04-20-2008, 04:39 PM | #106 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by rjakapeanut
If you have a chance to get a special player like Dorsey I agree, you take it. The costs are little and worth it. It will shore up our aging DT's for awhile.
Also some people put a lot into drafts but I am begining to think this whole draft thing is over rated. There is always FA now a days to make up for not having enough draft picks. I think if you have a sure thing. GO for it. |
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04-21-2008, 09:06 AM | #107 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by Euphoria
Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers.
There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points. |
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04-21-2008, 09:22 AM | #108 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
I am also fine making the move or staying put and making the right picks. I hope you are not implying that a 2nd rick pick is a sure thing because for every all-pro, hall of famer, or starter picked that you can name, you can likely name 3 or 4 complete busts or average backup players. I dont think the basis for moving up should be that you will not get any quality in the second round because that is not true. But to have an impact player like Dorsey with the potential to be one of the best IMO is worth losing that 2nd round pick.
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04-21-2008, 09:43 AM | #109 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
We should avoid the mistakes of the Chiefs and Raiders where you draft based upon a divisional rival rather than what gets your team to the Big Dance...I like Dorsey, but didn't the trade for Ricky Williams teach mgt and fans a lesson about giving up value picks in R's2-5?!?
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04-21-2008, 10:45 AM | #110 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Sure did, but we are not talking about drafting based on a division rival - we are drafting for need and for arguably the best player in the draft. And we are not talking about trading our entire draft for the move. We are giving up 1 pick.
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