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iceshack149 · 04-30-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by JKool

The MLB doesn't have to make the defensive play calls. In fact, Bellamy was calling our D for a time. It is a mere convention that the MLB calls the plays, not a necessity. Vilma can be the defensive capitain, make the play calls, and wear the speaker, no matter which LB position he plays.

In fact, it might be wise to have Fugita call the plays. He has more experience with our defensive system. However, I'm sure this will decide closer to the start of the season.

As long as Morgan doesn't start claiming he's Batman...

Good points JKool. I assumed that Vilma would be the one with the radio in his hat because he's a stud but it does make more sense to give Fujita that responsibility.

mighty12 · 04-30-2008, 06:19 PM

Rule 1: Defense gets a microphone helmet- Similar to the quarterback, the defense can now use a microphone helmet. The problem is, despite all of the lame sportscaster “he’s the quarterback of the defense” references, there really isn’t a comparable position on defense. The team only gets to use one helmet, so they’ll have to find a way to implement this so that someone that’s on the field almost every snap gets the lucky earpiece. Don’t be surprised if you still see coaches using hand signals come Sundays until they get this concept just right.

This is the reason it is assumed a MLB will be the one with the earpiece. They are now the only ones who really stay on the field in all packages.

JKool · 04-30-2008, 07:21 PM

The MLB being on the field every play is a coaching decision, and it depends on the player (and his skills/abilities), not his position. It just so happens that a lot of teams have moved to the Urlacher-style MLB (a kind of player who can play in every package).

I'm willing to bet that on most teams the FS and at least one of the CBs is on the field every down, and it is pretty usual to have a DT and/or DE that plays almost every down.

I fully agree that the idea of a "quarterback of the defense" is lame. It seems to me that the defensive signal caller should be selected on the basis of leadership, understanding of the game, ability to distribute the play call, and being on the field. This rarely has to do with which position he plays in the base defense.

thesaintsfan · 04-30-2008, 10:21 PM

Maybe they should let Bullocks wear the mic and call plays. At least then they'd get something in return for the money they give him. It's not like he does anything else. I take that back, the man does bite on play action and pump fakes something fierce, I have to give him credit for that. He might be the best in the biz in that regard. You ever notice how he's always guessing but never guesses right? LOL, how does that happen? He never makes the big play. We might as well prop up a scarecrow alongside Harper. Hell it might even be an upgrade.

Champ Kind · 04-30-2008, 11:02 PM

I was just reading a couple of your posts, and I wanted to find out what the deal was with the 3-4 defense. Are you suggesting us to switch to 3-4, and if so, how have you not read anything about Jonathon Vilma. He's extremely happy about coming to play for the Saints because we run a 4-3 defense. They were running a 3-4 in NY and he was miserable, so why would we want to change to the same thing?
Please clarify this for me.

pakowitz · 04-30-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Champ Kind

I was just reading a couple of your posts, and I wanted to find out what the deal was with the 3-4 defense. Are you suggesting us to switch to 3-4, and if so, how have you not read anything about Jonathon Vilma. He's extremely happy about coming to play for the Saints because we run a 4-3 defense. They were running a 3-4 in NY and he was miserable, so why would we want to change to the same thing?
Please clarify this for me.

whose post are you refering to champ?

SaintPauly · 04-30-2008, 11:20 PM

I think they were just speculating about the 3-4, and how it worked in the past. Not saying we should switch. At least I think that's how it read. I might be wrong.

thesaintsfan · 05-01-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Champ Kind

I was just reading a couple of your posts, and I wanted to find out what the deal was with the 3-4 defense. Are you suggesting us to switch to 3-4, and if so, how have you not read anything about Jonathon Vilma. He's extremely happy about coming to play for the Saints because we run a 4-3 defense. They were running a 3-4 in NY and he was miserable, so why would we want to change to the same thing?
Please clarify this for me.

Yeah we all know about Vilma's "struggles" in the 3-4. I threw that out there awhile back to see what people thought about it. We don't have the guys to go to a 3-4 but I would like to see us throw in a wrinkle or two on D.

JKool · 05-01-2008, 11:46 AM

I don't think we should go to a 3-4, though I did write some stuff about it earlier.

My suggestion was that we change our scheme slightly so that our MLB focuses more on defending the run, we allow our DTs to free-style more, and we give the WLB more freedom. In this scheme I'm suggesting, I favor Vilma at WLB. Given that we are unlikely to do this, I, like everyone else, am excited to see Vilma at MLB.

Still, I think we'd be better served to change our 4-3 to a 4-3 that uses the MLB and WLB (and DTs) in slightly different ways than we do in our current 4-3.

04-30-2008, 06:16 PM	#51
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LB Originally Posted by JKool The MLB doesn't have to make the defensive play calls. In fact, Bellamy was calling our D for a time. It is a mere convention that the MLB calls the plays, not a necessity. Vilma can be the defensive capitain, make the play calls, and wear the speaker, no matter which LB position he plays. In fact, it might be wise to have Fugita call the plays. He has more experience with our defensive system. However, I'm sure this will decide closer to the start of the season. As long as Morgan doesn't start claiming he's Batman... Good points JKool. I assumed that Vilma would be the one with the radio in his hat because he's a stud but it does make more sense to give Fujita that responsibility.

04-30-2008, 06:19 PM	#52
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LB Rule 1: Defense gets a microphone helmet- Similar to the quarterback, the defense can now use a microphone helmet. The problem is, despite all of the lame sportscaster “he’s the quarterback of the defense” references, there really isn’t a comparable position on defense. The team only gets to use one helmet, so they’ll have to find a way to implement this so that someone that’s on the field almost every snap gets the lucky earpiece. Don’t be surprised if you still see coaches using hand signals come Sundays until they get this concept just right. This is the reason it is assumed a MLB will be the one with the earpiece. They are now the only ones who really stay on the field in all packages.

04-30-2008, 07:21 PM	#53
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: LB The MLB being on the field every play is a coaching decision, and it depends on the player (and his skills/abilities), not his position. It just so happens that a lot of teams have moved to the Urlacher-style MLB (a kind of player who can play in every package). I'm willing to bet that on most teams the FS and at least one of the CBs is on the field every down, and it is pretty usual to have a DT and/or DE that plays almost every down. I fully agree that the idea of a "quarterback of the defense" is lame. It seems to me that the defensive signal caller should be selected on the basis of leadership, understanding of the game, ability to distribute the play call, and being on the field. This rarely has to do with which position he plays in the base defense.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

04-30-2008, 10:21 PM	#54
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: LB Maybe they should let Bullocks wear the mic and call plays. At least then they'd get something in return for the money they give him. It's not like he does anything else. I take that back, the man does bite on play action and pump fakes something fierce, I have to give him credit for that. He might be the best in the biz in that regard. You ever notice how he's always guessing but never guesses right? LOL, how does that happen? He never makes the big play. We might as well prop up a scarecrow alongside Harper. Hell it might even be an upgrade.
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04-30-2008, 11:02 PM	#55
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: LB I was just reading a couple of your posts, and I wanted to find out what the deal was with the 3-4 defense. Are you suggesting us to switch to 3-4, and if so, how have you not read anything about Jonathon Vilma. He's extremely happy about coming to play for the Saints because we run a 4-3 defense. They were running a 3-4 in NY and he was miserable, so why would we want to change to the same thing? Please clarify this for me.

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04-30-2008, 11:06 PM	#56
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: LB Originally Posted by Champ Kind I was just reading a couple of your posts, and I wanted to find out what the deal was with the 3-4 defense. Are you suggesting us to switch to 3-4, and if so, how have you not read anything about Jonathon Vilma. He's extremely happy about coming to play for the Saints because we run a 4-3 defense. They were running a 3-4 in NY and he was miserable, so why would we want to change to the same thing? Please clarify this for me. whose post are you refering to champ?

04-30-2008, 11:20 PM	#57
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: LB I think they were just speculating about the 3-4, and how it worked in the past. Not saying we should switch. At least I think that's how it read. I might be wrong.

05-01-2008, 12:15 AM	#58
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: LB Originally Posted by Champ Kind I was just reading a couple of your posts, and I wanted to find out what the deal was with the 3-4 defense. Are you suggesting us to switch to 3-4, and if so, how have you not read anything about Jonathon Vilma. He's extremely happy about coming to play for the Saints because we run a 4-3 defense. They were running a 3-4 in NY and he was miserable, so why would we want to change to the same thing? Please clarify this for me. Yeah we all know about Vilma's "struggles" in the 3-4. I threw that out there awhile back to see what people thought about it. We don't have the guys to go to a 3-4 but I would like to see us throw in a wrinkle or two on D.

05-01-2008, 11:46 AM	#59
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: LB I don't think we should go to a 3-4, though I did write some stuff about it earlier. My suggestion was that we change our scheme slightly so that our MLB focuses more on defending the run, we allow our DTs to free-style more, and we give the WLB more freedom. In this scheme I'm suggesting, I favor Vilma at WLB. Given that we are unlikely to do this, I, like everyone else, am excited to see Vilma at MLB. Still, I think we'd be better served to change our 4-3 to a 4-3 that uses the MLB and WLB (and DTs) in slightly different ways than we do in our current 4-3.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks