Pat Kirwan believes that the..

BooBirdSaint · 05-01-2008, 07:57 AM

Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is.

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SmashMouth · 05-01-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint

Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is.

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Good point .....Eric Johnson is plenty serviceable and good enough ...... when he is healthy ..... has he been healthy an entire season yet? Giants found Boss in the seventh round ... we can do the same and not trade the farm!

Memnoch_TP · 05-03-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint

Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

11th vs all TE's SEEMS solid, except for the large amount of drops and deflections leading to interceptions that Johnson had last season. Had Shockey been in Johnson's place, he would have been in the top 5 TEs.

What bothers me most about Johnson though, is that I don't think that he is not talented. I think he could be good TE. The fact that he wasn't, when the chips were down, says bad things. There is no good excuse why Johnson was not in the top 5 TEs last year, even with his injury.

Shockey may not be able to open up the offense like Randy Moss does, but at the same time, I don't think we need a booster shot as big as Randy Moss to turn us into the top offense in this league. A Shockey sized booster shot, to give opposing players and coaches ANOTHER threat to worry about aside from Colston AND Bush and hopefully Meach and Deuce too.

We don't need the Super Heavy Weights. Shockey could be the straw that breaks the opposing D's backs.

And don't even start on character. I would hope our leadership can handle something as simple as a guy who speaks his mind. It isn't like he is Pacman Jones. Bring Shockey to New Orleans!

05-01-2008, 07:57 AM	#1
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is. NFL Stats: by Player Position
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05-01-2008, 08:41 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,966 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is. NFL Stats: by Player Position Good point .....Eric Johnson is plenty serviceable and good enough ...... when he is healthy ..... has he been healthy an entire season yet? Giants found Boss in the seventh round ... we can do the same and not trade the farm!

05-03-2008, 03:48 PM	#3
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is. NFL Stats: by Player Position 11th vs all TE's SEEMS solid, except for the large amount of drops and deflections leading to interceptions that Johnson had last season. Had Shockey been in Johnson's place, he would have been in the top 5 TEs. What bothers me most about Johnson though, is that I don't think that he is not talented. I think he could be good TE. The fact that he wasn't, when the chips were down, says bad things. There is no good excuse why Johnson was not in the top 5 TEs last year, even with his injury. Shockey may not be able to open up the offense like Randy Moss does, but at the same time, I don't think we need a booster shot as big as Randy Moss to turn us into the top offense in this league. A Shockey sized booster shot, to give opposing players and coaches ANOTHER threat to worry about aside from Colston AND Bush and hopefully Meach and Deuce too. We don't need the Super Heavy Weights. Shockey could be the straw that breaks the opposing D's backs. And don't even start on character. I would hope our leadership can handle something as simple as a guy who speaks his mind. It isn't like he is Pacman Jones. Bring Shockey to New Orleans!
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