Pat Kirwan believes that the..

CantonLegend · 05-01-2008, 04:46 PM

i disagree...i think on a talent and consistancy standpoint he has been atop the NFL for the past few years and has been consistantly showing up on film and game highlights...theres a reason for that...he has the talent to step into the saints organization and become an immediate upgrade....an immediate favorite target...payton is a master of the short pass offense....the best target for that is a TE....thats why colston flourished here....he is huge....he is strong..and he can catch like the dickens...if he gets hit the ball isnt coming out...shockey has similar traits in that he can take a hit from a linebacker as he's going over the middle for his bajillionth catch of the season

dasaints26 · 05-01-2008, 11:55 PM

Shockey and Johnson werent to many catches apart. Johnson was ranked 11th in receptions but if you look at yardage he is alot closer to Miller.
Shockey is ranked 7th in yardage and 8th in receptions. Johnson is 11th in receptions and 24th in yardage compared with Miller at 26th in yardage.
Johnson caught 21 more passes and gained 50 more yards than Miller.
Johnson plays a role in the passing game similiar to Bush, sit at the line of scrimage and be a dump-off for Brees. Not much of a downfield threat from Johnson, but he woulda been productive in the redzone had he caught a couple of those passes in the endzone.
Not much of a difference Shockey had 619 yds with 10.9 avg.
Johnson caught alot of balls 378 yds with a 7.9 avg. I guess the biggest difference is Shockey gets a 1st down and with Johnson we get to line up our powerback R Bush on 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2, punt.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2008, 01:12 AM

Factors to consider in all this...

One, Shockey was most productive as a Rookie, when, yep, Sean Peyton was calling the plays...

Two, Shockey will be out to prove he's a team player and that he can be a reason for a Super Bowl Championship...

Three, Shockey did not attend ceremonies to receive the SuperBowl Champion Giants at the White House...

Four, The Chad Johnson situation, despite how ridiculous Drew Rosenhaus' client has looked, has been a nightmare for the Bengals must give Giants Jerry Reese pause to deal with Rosenhaus' client on his team...

Five, As good as Mark Campbell is (and make no mistake that the TE is the difference between a good and great running game) has missed significant playing time in his career...

Six, if Reggie Bush is going to jump to the next level of a producer like Brian Westbrook, the TE is going to have to aid in spreading the field...

Lastly, whether on or off the field, Saints Marketing knows this...

Shockey draws a crowd.

I submit the attention given to the Shockey threads in this forum as evidence...

hagan714 · 05-02-2008, 03:09 PM

He does sell tickets and get the cameras turned thats for sure. Good point. Always nice to add national media draw to the team. Saints vs. Gaints NFC championship game? Shockey would be heck of a story line for them to run into the ground

Saintuary · 05-02-2008, 04:00 PM

Who cares about next years draft pick if we go to the SB with Shockeys help? I don't care if we had thirty 1st round picks, if we got this guy and he got another ring with us, shied. Hell I'd give all the nfl teams a 1st round pick compliments of the Saints.

hagan714 · 05-03-2008, 05:40 PM

Next years second maybe. now we hold out till draft time next and let the Gaints gamble on shocky's rehab. Next years 2nd better be lower, Oh yeah we may not have one. The NYJ might have it. Wonder if a low third would work? Face it the gaints blew it with us. there is no way next years offer from us will as good. Unless we are talking about putting Brown into the equation. He is the only player I see that we can get a second rounder for that would work in NY and not hurt us. Unless in round 1 we go FS and let Harper go.

JKool · 05-03-2008, 08:32 PM

Nice point Memnoch.

It is an interesting idea to pair the QB (and offense in general) with the TE in an evaluation of his statistical ranking.

05-01-2008, 04:46 PM	#1
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05-01-2008, 11:55 PM	#2
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Shockey and Johnson werent to many catches apart. Johnson was ranked 11th in receptions but if you look at yardage he is alot closer to Miller. Shockey is ranked 7th in yardage and 8th in receptions. Johnson is 11th in receptions and 24th in yardage compared with Miller at 26th in yardage. Johnson caught 21 more passes and gained 50 more yards than Miller. Johnson plays a role in the passing game similiar to Bush, sit at the line of scrimage and be a dump-off for Brees. Not much of a downfield threat from Johnson, but he woulda been productive in the redzone had he caught a couple of those passes in the endzone. Not much of a difference Shockey had 619 yds with 10.9 avg. Johnson caught alot of balls 378 yds with a 7.9 avg. I guess the biggest difference is Shockey gets a 1st down and with Johnson we get to line up our powerback R Bush on 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2, punt.
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05-02-2008, 01:12 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Factors to consider in all this... One, Shockey was most productive as a Rookie, when, yep, Sean Peyton was calling the plays... Two, Shockey will be out to prove he's a team player and that he can be a reason for a Super Bowl Championship... Three, Shockey did not attend ceremonies to receive the SuperBowl Champion Giants at the White House... Four, The Chad Johnson situation, despite how ridiculous Drew Rosenhaus' client has looked, has been a nightmare for the Bengals must give Giants Jerry Reese pause to deal with Rosenhaus' client on his team... Five, As good as Mark Campbell is (and make no mistake that the TE is the difference between a good and great running game) has missed significant playing time in his career... Six, if Reggie Bush is going to jump to the next level of a producer like Brian Westbrook, the TE is going to have to aid in spreading the field... Lastly, whether on or off the field, Saints Marketing knows this... Shockey draws a crowd. I submit the attention given to the Shockey threads in this forum as evidence...
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05-02-2008, 03:09 PM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. He does sell tickets and get the cameras turned thats for sure. Good point. Always nice to add national media draw to the team. Saints vs. Gaints NFC championship game? Shockey would be heck of a story line for them to run into the ground

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Saintuary 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 198	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Who cares about next years draft pick if we go to the SB with Shockeys help? I don't care if we had thirty 1st round picks, if we got this guy and he got another ring with us, shied. Hell I'd give all the nfl teams a 1st round pick compliments of the Saints.

05-03-2008, 05:40 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Next years second maybe. now we hold out till draft time next and let the Gaints gamble on shocky's rehab. Next years 2nd better be lower, Oh yeah we may not have one. The NYJ might have it. Wonder if a low third would work? Face it the gaints blew it with us. there is no way next years offer from us will as good. Unless we are talking about putting Brown into the equation. He is the only player I see that we can get a second rounder for that would work in NY and not hurt us. Unless in round 1 we go FS and let Harper go.
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05-03-2008, 08:32 PM	#7
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Nice point Memnoch. It is an interesting idea to pair the QB (and offense in general) with the TE in an evaluation of his statistical ranking.