Pat Kirwan believes that the..

Saintuary · 05-02-2008, 05:00 PM

Who cares about next years draft pick if we go to the SB with Shockeys help? I don't care if we had thirty 1st round picks, if we got this guy and he got another ring with us, shied. Hell I'd give all the nfl teams a 1st round pick compliments of the Saints.

WillMacKenzie · 05-02-2008, 05:01 PM

Houma...what a sespool.

this place has turned into trash before my very eyes

CantonLegend · 05-02-2008, 05:06 PM

lol...i think shockey is worth just about ne thing that we would give for him...he instantly makes our offense so much better....i dont wanna give away all our first rounders cuz he isnt worth them...but i am completely in favor of doing just about ne thing we can to get him

jewagr007 · 05-02-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

HA, funny. I won't rough him up to bad since he is a newbie also he's from Houma where I was born and raised.

Shockey has been nothing but a locker room cancer. They didn't need him to win the SB last year so why the hell do we need him to win one? He'll be more of a distraction.

If the Giants want to move him so bad here is a 4th. You don't like it then cut him. So he doesn't show up to camp - again. He'll show up to play in games and then the Giants will be left with the fear of him walking into the dressing room. Have fun Giants. Now I am ok if he shows up for camp and doesn't bring the BS. But our team has shown there has to be consistancy and gel in order to win. Hince why we go on winning streaks and losing streaks.

I agree completely. That is why i said.."if the price is right" 2nd round at best but considering the locker room isues I say a 4th and turn into a third pending attitude and performance. i think that would be fiar. Can we win without him? Sure! Would it give Brees,Bush and Colston breathing room? Absolutly! So...if the price is right I would chance it but not for a first or even second.

Houma is not a sespool....just needs chlorine....lol

Memnoch_TP · 05-03-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint

Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

11th vs all TE's SEEMS solid, except for the large amount of drops and deflections leading to interceptions that Johnson had last season. Had Shockey been in Johnson's place, he would have been in the top 5 TEs.

What bothers me most about Johnson though, is that I don't think that he is not talented. I think he could be good TE. The fact that he wasn't, when the chips were down, says bad things. There is no good excuse why Johnson was not in the top 5 TEs last year, even with his injury.

Shockey may not be able to open up the offense like Randy Moss does, but at the same time, I don't think we need a booster shot as big as Randy Moss to turn us into the top offense in this league. A Shockey sized booster shot, to give opposing players and coaches ANOTHER threat to worry about aside from Colston AND Bush and hopefully Meach and Deuce too.

We don't need the Super Heavy Weights. Shockey could be the straw that breaks the opposing D's backs.

And don't even start on character. I would hope our leadership can handle something as simple as a guy who speaks his mind. It isn't like he is Pacman Jones. Bring Shockey to New Orleans!

hagan714 · 05-03-2008, 06:40 PM

Next years second maybe. now we hold out till draft time next and let the Gaints gamble on shocky's rehab. Next years 2nd better be lower, Oh yeah we may not have one. The NYJ might have it. Wonder if a low third would work? Face it the gaints blew it with us. there is no way next years offer from us will as good. Unless we are talking about putting Brown into the equation. He is the only player I see that we can get a second rounder for that would work in NY and not hurt us. Unless in round 1 we go FS and let Harper go.

JKool · 05-03-2008, 09:32 PM

Nice point Memnoch.

It is an interesting idea to pair the QB (and offense in general) with the TE in an evaluation of his statistical ranking.

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Saintuary 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 198	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Who cares about next years draft pick if we go to the SB with Shockeys help? I don't care if we had thirty 1st round picks, if we got this guy and he got another ring with us, shied. Hell I'd give all the nfl teams a 1st round pick compliments of the Saints.

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WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Houma...what a sespool. this place has turned into trash before my very eyes

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CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. lol...i think shockey is worth just about ne thing that we would give for him...he instantly makes our offense so much better....i dont wanna give away all our first rounders cuz he isnt worth them...but i am completely in favor of doing just about ne thing we can to get him

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jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Originally Posted by Euphoria HA, funny. I won't rough him up to bad since he is a newbie also he's from Houma where I was born and raised. Shockey has been nothing but a locker room cancer. They didn't need him to win the SB last year so why the hell do we need him to win one? He'll be more of a distraction. If the Giants want to move him so bad here is a 4th. You don't like it then cut him. So he doesn't show up to camp - again. He'll show up to play in games and then the Giants will be left with the fear of him walking into the dressing room. Have fun Giants. Now I am ok if he shows up for camp and doesn't bring the BS. But our team has shown there has to be consistancy and gel in order to win. Hince why we go on winning streaks and losing streaks. I agree completely. That is why i said.."if the price is right" 2nd round at best but considering the locker room isues I say a 4th and turn into a third pending attitude and performance. i think that would be fiar. Can we win without him? Sure! Would it give Brees,Bush and Colston breathing room? Absolutly! So...if the price is right I would chance it but not for a first or even second. Houma is not a sespool....just needs chlorine....lol

05-03-2008, 04:48 PM	#35
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint Whoa, Eric Johnson stat wise was 11th vs all NFL TE's last year. Considering he was hurt part of the year that is not to bad for a TE that is not "solid". Shockey was 8th and he played in more games then Johnson. On paper anyway the gap is not as large as you might think. The knock on Shockey is that he's not a great run/blocker which you might apply to our current stable of TE. So how does adding Shockey help us in that aspect? I think this is a player that Payton thinks can help open up the Passing game which I don't think is where the O needs help. Maybe Payton thinks Shockey can help open the middle if he has the SS/LB in coverage which equates into helping the run? I think my point is why give up high picks for Shockey when he's not the game changer that say a Moss is. NFL Stats: by Player Position 11th vs all TE's SEEMS solid, except for the large amount of drops and deflections leading to interceptions that Johnson had last season. Had Shockey been in Johnson's place, he would have been in the top 5 TEs. What bothers me most about Johnson though, is that I don't think that he is not talented. I think he could be good TE. The fact that he wasn't, when the chips were down, says bad things. There is no good excuse why Johnson was not in the top 5 TEs last year, even with his injury. Shockey may not be able to open up the offense like Randy Moss does, but at the same time, I don't think we need a booster shot as big as Randy Moss to turn us into the top offense in this league. A Shockey sized booster shot, to give opposing players and coaches ANOTHER threat to worry about aside from Colston AND Bush and hopefully Meach and Deuce too. We don't need the Super Heavy Weights. Shockey could be the straw that breaks the opposing D's backs. And don't even start on character. I would hope our leadership can handle something as simple as a guy who speaks his mind. It isn't like he is Pacman Jones. Bring Shockey to New Orleans!
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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Pat Kirwan believes that the.. Nice point Memnoch. It is an interesting idea to pair the QB (and offense in general) with the TE in an evaluation of his statistical ranking.