Arrington Steal of the Draft

Papa Voodoo · 05-01-2008, 11:11 AM

You can't coach catching the ball either...DH is proof of that. The dude's garbage. Colston isn't fast and he is way better than DH. Stallworth is fast and he sucks too. Bullocks is fast and he sucks just as bad as DH. They will never develop into anything that matters. Bethel Johnson's fast too...and oh yeah he sucks. Randel-El, Matt Jones...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.

Euphoria · 05-01-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

You can't coach catching the ball either...DH is proof of that. The dude's garbage. Colston isn't fast and he is way better than DH. Stallworth is fast and he sucks too. Bullocks is fast and he sucks just as bad as DH. They will never develop into anything that matters. Bethel Johnson's fast too...and oh yeah he sucks. Randel-El, Matt Jones...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.

He is a role player... needed to stretch the field. He serves a purpose.

You can coach catching thats is something you can work on. He made some spectacular grabs this past season. Ya hear how Colston learned how to catch by his coaches??? It can be done.

foreverfan · 05-01-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

He is a role player... needed to stretch the field. He serves a purpose.

You can coach catching thats is something you can work on. He made some spectacular grabs this past season. Ya hear how Colston learned how to catch by his coaches??? It can be done.

I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations...

CANNOT BE COACHED
Depth preception and body control.
Running full speed with great hand eye cordination.
Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point.
Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second.
Laying out for the football correctly.
Controlled precise/cuts routes.
Making spectacular catches look routine.
Speed.
Hand size.

CAN BE COACHED
Learing the playbook.
Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run.
Setting up the defender with your route.

Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference.

Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %.

Euphoria · 05-01-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations...

CANNOT BE COACHED
Depth preception and body control.
Running full speed with great hand eye cordination.
Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point.
Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second.
Laying out for the football correctly.
Controlled precise/cuts routes.
Making spectacular catches look routine.
Speed.
Hand size.

CAN BE COACHED
Learing the playbook.
Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run.
Setting up the defender with your route.

Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference.

Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %.

Well then you better give back those championships because you are a fraud.

I coach Little Leage Baseball and won championships as well has flag and tackle football. ...and I will tell you you can coach the following:

Eye hand Coordination
Body Control
Route running
Jumping and Timing
Laying out
catching.

You can't tell me a kid comes out of a womb catching a freakin ball. There are drills you run to develop all of these skill sets instead of just going out there and getting ringers... thats being a fraud of a coach.

I see you do agree with speed which is the gest of my argument, hince he is on the team.

PS you can teach them how to learn a playbook instead of just learing at it, lol.

RickyInKenner · 05-01-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations...

CANNOT BE COACHED
Depth preception and body control.
Running full speed with great hand eye cordination.
Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point.
Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second.
Laying out for the football correctly.
Controlled precise/cuts routes.
Making spectacular catches look routine.
Speed.
Hand size.

CAN BE COACHED
Learing the playbook.
Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run.
Setting up the defender with your route.

Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference.

Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %.

pretty much everything you listed you can coach, except for the stupid stuff that does not matter (like hand size).

you CAN learn how to time your jumps. you CAN fine tune your routes. you CAN improve ball skills. you can even improve your speed. look at TJ hoosh frmo the bengals. he did some free flo do type of **** in the offseason and got ridic faster.

foreverfan · 05-01-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by RickyInKenner

pretty much everything you listed you can coach, except for the stupid stuff that does not matter (like hand size).

you CAN learn how to time your jumps. you CAN fine tune your routes. you CAN improve ball skills. you can even improve your speed. look at TJ hoosh frmo the bengals. he did some free flo do type of **** in the offseason and got ridic faster.

Well, for every one player that you can teach these things to, there are 100s of other that will never make the entire adjustment to the pros no matter how much coaching you give them. Just because the coach trys to teach somebody something, doesn't mean that the player will be able to do it consistantly and sucessfully. I'm not saying that you can't get better, it's just that the really great ones, do this stuff naturally and effortlessly. That's why Costson made the adjustment quickly and Devery never will.

But don't get me wrong, success is usually desguised as hard work.

BRSaintsFan · 05-01-2008, 12:11 PM

No doubt Arrington can catch and is a gamer. If he can gain similar separation from defenders in the pros as in college, then he can make the team and likely contribute. However, that is alot easier said than done.

JKool · 05-01-2008, 02:02 PM

This idea that such and such cannot be coached is of interest to me.

Players practice timed jumping, route running, catching, and so on. Practice improves them.

Physical structures set the limit as to what can be improved. For example, a player cannot run faster than his body will allow. However, training certainly can improve a players speed (to a limit); otherwise, why would people "work on" their running form, improving their lower body strength and so on?

Further, I wouldn't keep a player just because he is fast. This why football teams don't simply draft Olympic sprinters. They're fast, but when it comes to football skills, they are worthless. It is possible that a team would be better off redesigning its offensive playbook than keeping a fast player who can't do anything but run fast.

This not to say that I think Henderson is ONLY fast. It is just to say that speed alone isn't a reason to keep him. It is, as Euph points out, the role his speed can play in designing an offensive system that is a reason for keeping him (in addition to any other relevant football skills he has).

foreverfan · 05-01-2008, 02:26 PM

Euph, of course you can coach it in little league. All I'm saying is by the time you are a man, you either have it or you don't.

Euphoria · 05-01-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Euph, of course you can coach it in little league. All I'm saying is by the time you are a man, you either have it or you don't.

I still disagree... whats the point in practicing at all. Why was Jerry Rice running routes and catching balls and running all sorts of drills even until his last days on the field. And you know the whole time playing football he was learning ballet for body control right?

Why do Professional baseball players take batting practice... its eye hand coordination.

05-01-2008, 11:11 AM	#1
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft You can't coach catching the ball either...DH is proof of that. The dude's garbage. Colston isn't fast and he is way better than DH. Stallworth is fast and he sucks too. Bullocks is fast and he sucks just as bad as DH. They will never develop into anything that matters. Bethel Johnson's fast too...and oh yeah he sucks. Randel-El, Matt Jones... If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.
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05-01-2008, 12:42 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo You can't coach catching the ball either...DH is proof of that. The dude's garbage. Colston isn't fast and he is way better than DH. Stallworth is fast and he sucks too. Bullocks is fast and he sucks just as bad as DH. They will never develop into anything that matters. Bethel Johnson's fast too...and oh yeah he sucks. Randel-El, Matt Jones... If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. He is a role player... needed to stretch the field. He serves a purpose. You can coach catching thats is something you can work on. He made some spectacular grabs this past season. Ya hear how Colston learned how to catch by his coaches??? It can be done.

05-01-2008, 01:23 PM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by Euphoria He is a role player... needed to stretch the field. He serves a purpose. You can coach catching thats is something you can work on. He made some spectacular grabs this past season. Ya hear how Colston learned how to catch by his coaches??? It can be done. I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations... CANNOT BE COACHED Depth preception and body control. Running full speed with great hand eye cordination. Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point. Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second. Laying out for the football correctly. Controlled precise/cuts routes. Making spectacular catches look routine. Speed. Hand size. CAN BE COACHED Learing the playbook. Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run. Setting up the defender with your route. Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference. Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %.
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05-01-2008, 02:22 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by foreverfan I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations... CANNOT BE COACHED Depth preception and body control. Running full speed with great hand eye cordination. Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point. Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second. Laying out for the football correctly. Controlled precise/cuts routes. Making spectacular catches look routine. Speed. Hand size. CAN BE COACHED Learing the playbook. Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run. Setting up the defender with your route. Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference. Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %. Well then you better give back those championships because you are a fraud. I coach Little Leage Baseball and won championships as well has flag and tackle football. ...and I will tell you you can coach the following: Eye hand Coordination Body Control Route running Jumping and Timing Laying out catching. You can't tell me a kid comes out of a womb catching a freakin ball. There are drills you run to develop all of these skill sets instead of just going out there and getting ringers... thats being a fraud of a coach. I see you do agree with speed which is the gest of my argument, hince he is on the team. PS you can teach them how to learn a playbook instead of just learing at it, lol.
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05-01-2008, 06:27 PM	#5
RickyInKenner Registered Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 60	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by foreverfan I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations... CANNOT BE COACHED Depth preception and body control. Running full speed with great hand eye cordination. Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point. Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second. Laying out for the football correctly. Controlled precise/cuts routes. Making spectacular catches look routine. Speed. Hand size. CAN BE COACHED Learing the playbook. Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run. Setting up the defender with your route. Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference. Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %. pretty much everything you listed you can coach, except for the stupid stuff that does not matter (like hand size). you CAN learn how to time your jumps. you CAN fine tune your routes. you CAN improve ball skills. you can even improve your speed. look at TJ hoosh frmo the bengals. he did some free flo do type of **** in the offseason and got ridic faster.
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05-01-2008, 08:18 PM	#6
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by RickyInKenner pretty much everything you listed you can coach, except for the stupid stuff that does not matter (like hand size). you CAN learn how to time your jumps. you CAN fine tune your routes. you CAN improve ball skills. you can even improve your speed. look at TJ hoosh frmo the bengals. he did some free flo do type of **** in the offseason and got ridic faster. Well, for every one player that you can teach these things to, there are 100s of other that will never make the entire adjustment to the pros no matter how much coaching you give them. Just because the coach trys to teach somebody something, doesn't mean that the player will be able to do it consistantly and sucessfully. I'm not saying that you can't get better, it's just that the really great ones, do this stuff naturally and effortlessly. That's why Costson made the adjustment quickly and Devery never will. But don't get me wrong, success is usually desguised as hard work.
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05-01-2008, 12:11 PM	#7
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft No doubt Arrington can catch and is a gamer. If he can gain similar separation from defenders in the pros as in college, then he can make the team and likely contribute. However, that is alot easier said than done.

05-01-2008, 02:02 PM	#8
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft This idea that such and such cannot be coached is of interest to me. Players practice timed jumping, route running, catching, and so on. Practice improves them. Physical structures set the limit as to what can be improved. For example, a player cannot run faster than his body will allow. However, training certainly can improve a players speed (to a limit); otherwise, why would people "work on" their running form, improving their lower body strength and so on? Further, I wouldn't keep a player just because he is fast. This why football teams don't simply draft Olympic sprinters. They're fast, but when it comes to football skills, they are worthless. It is possible that a team would be better off redesigning its offensive playbook than keeping a fast player who can't do anything but run fast. This not to say that I think Henderson is ONLY fast. It is just to say that speed alone isn't a reason to keep him. It is, as Euph points out, the role his speed can play in designing an offensive system that is a reason for keeping him (in addition to any other relevant football skills he has).
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05-01-2008, 02:26 PM	#9
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Euph, of course you can coach it in little league. All I'm saying is by the time you are a man, you either have it or you don't.

05-01-2008, 02:32 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by foreverfan Euph, of course you can coach it in little league. All I'm saying is by the time you are a man, you either have it or you don't. I still disagree... whats the point in practicing at all. Why was Jerry Rice running routes and catching balls and running all sorts of drills even until his last days on the field. And you know the whole time playing football he was learning ballet for body control right? Why do Professional baseball players take batting practice... its eye hand coordination.