thesaintsfan

Gandhi you are being blinded by your Strief man crush. I've seen some bad cases of man crushes in my time but this might be the worst ever. If it's not the worst it's certainly the most misguided. Of all the players you could crush on why Big Strief? Did you go to Northwestern or something? Is he your brother? Are you Gandhi Strief?

Seriously though gandhi I see that you're really passionate about Strief and I hope he ends up being as good as your hype. I've seen the guy play and I know he has talent, I just don't think he's as good as Brown. You said that Strief "man-handled" Peppers, I guess I missed that man-handling. I don't think anybody could "man-handle" Peppers.

Check it, if Strief is better than Brown then why isn't he the starter? Are the coaches just not giving him his proper respek?

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thesaintsfan

Dude that is so unfair to throw Demarcus Ware into this discussion. That's like a low blow or something. He doesn't even count.

hagan714

This was Browns second year at LT so NFL coaches got a chance to dissect his game and find his weaknesses. now it is up to the saints coaches to help Brown correct those things. Brown will probably come in a little liter than last year to increase his quickness if he is smart.
Stief is a wild card once again. How much will he improve again this year? He is definitely the player that has worked his way into my heart. He just seems to get better ever year.

gandhi1007

Again 2006...yes...man-handled. I couldn't believe it either. This was the game that made me like Strief. Then again...it could be the Tampa game that year at Tampa when strief abused Simeon Rice.

To answer your question about Strief not being the starter.... Why did Jason David start instead of Usama Young? Why was Bullocks starting ahead of KK? Why was Stecker starting over Pierre Thomas? These are all valid questions that I just cannot answer.

CantonLegend

Stecker is a man beast..dont hate my man

thesaintsfan

I can help you answer those questions. David started over Usama because Usama was a rookie who didn't know his arsehole from a hole in the ground, not that David knew either but you know what I mean. But this year I think Usama will go hard and push for a starting spot. I say it's dime time for David.

Bullocks started over KK because he has more speed. Bullocks has speed but he's like a virgin on prom night in that he doesn't know what to do with it. A duo of Roman and KK would be a smart but slow couple. Unless Bullocks can find a way to remove his head from his arse KK will be starting by week 5.

Stecker was ahead of Pierre because Pierre was a rookie and Stecker is a crafty vet. But from what I hear this year will be a different story. People on this board love Pierre like a kid brother. I mean, I'm rooting for the guy but I have to see more of him before I jump on his rather large band wagon.

I know that you already knew all that but my point is that the coaching staff is going to put the best 11 on the field. As bad as it sounds David and Bullocks gave us a better chance to win in the coaches minds. You and me and everybody else watch the games but we can only see so much. We don't know who works the hardest or knows the most about the game. As fans we reserve the God given right to piss and moan about how John Doe should be starting over Joe Blow. Sometimes John Doe does get a chance to play and we end up begging the coach do give us back our Blow. We have to be careful what we wish for sometimes.

But seriously gandhi, do you really think that Strief is a better football player than Brown? If Strief is so great then how come he isn't starting at RT over Stinch?

We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams.

JKool

Still, nice work. This is very informative thread.

I like this:

This seems to the content of most our discussions. Though slightly more interesting than mere "pissing and moaning," I often think that is just about what it amounts to.

I'm still unsure about the strength of this:

This argument is too strong. Since we fans can never actually change the starters and see what happens, there is nothing more for anyone to say when this argument is given.

That is, what is someone who is making an argument for the replacement of a starter supposed to say to that? Further, doesn't it just amount to guessing at the psychology of the coach at that point (e.g. Payton just doesn't like Joe Blow...)?

Of course, I think that the coaches picks for starters reflect some information regarding the player, but I think that it is a fundamental presupposition of our discussions that the coach's decision isn't ALL the information - e.g. the coach could be wrong.

Interesting, interesting, interesting.

PS - I like the evidence from the games against Rice and Peppers. This is certainly not conclusive, but it certainly is worth consideration in any Brown-Strief comparison.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks