Jeremy Shockey

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-04-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

You're close. Why can't the Saints obtain some one like Antonio Pierce rather than Shockey? I don't know what either of them are "worth" but if the price is close to the same, give me more defense.

My point is that the Saints offense aint broke so don't fix it. The defense has been broken for years and the Saints have done a great job in attempting to repair it this off season so either quit while you are ahead or bring in more competition on defense.

I think that the point to be made about Shockey and the Giants is that the Giants offense seemed to play better after Shockey was out for the rest of the 2007 season. I am included with the group that thinks that there is a correlation there.

Preach on Iceshack, preach on!

SFIAH

dasaints26 · 05-04-2008, 06:52 PM

We didnt need Vilma and Ellis to reach the conference championship game why did we get them? Of course the NFC championship game aint the SB but as a Saints fan it aint bad either. As a Saints fan could we be content ending a season before the SB is played since the Saints have never made it that far I was content with the NFC championship game. I think 2006 was a good year and it was enjoyable to watch them play football as a team.

I dont know how much enjoyment you will get as a Saints fan if they have to win a SB every year for it to be a good year. Yeah it will be nice to make it once but after we get there I hope we dont have to wait 30+ years for a repeat performance.

Shockey is an upgrade it would be hard to prove otherwise but at what cost do we get him for. If Payton wants him I hope he can hold out for the best possible deal and not sell the farm for him.

3 spots separate Shockey and Johnson in receptions. #8 & #11.

17 spots separate Shockey and Johnson in yardage. #7 & #24.

3 more yards were gained each pass by Shockey over Johnson. 10.9 & 7.9.

CantonLegend · 05-04-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

You have a guy that complains that he's underutilized in an offense. He'll come to an offense where he's guaranteed to be underutilized.

shockey will by no means be underutilized here....we pass more than run...because we can....because we are good at it....shockey will be key at catching short passes and bailing drew out when he needs it...shockey is one of the best TEs in the league and his production proves it....with a great QB behind the wheel...he will get his catches....he will be happy with his production

CantonLegend · 05-04-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

You're close. Why can't the Saints obtain some one like Antonio Pierce rather than Shockey? I don't know what either of them are "worth" but if the price is close to the same, give me more defense.

My point is that the Saints offense aint broke so don't fix it. The defense has been broken for years and the Saints have done a great job in attempting to repair it this off season so either quit while you are ahead or bring in more competition on defense.

I think that the point to be made about Shockey and the Giants is that the Giants offense seemed to play better after Shockey was out for the rest of the 2007 season. I am included with the group that thinks that there is a correlation there.

the giants need a TE that blocks better than he catches....they are a run first team....shockey can block but is not a great blocker...he is better at catching and moving the ball....our offense is like a big house....our defense is like the neighbor thats rundown.....adding shockey would be like putting a big a-- pool in our backyard....it would make our offense so much better and then when the neighbors are sneaking into the pool....u can cut their yard and paint their house

CantonLegend · 05-04-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I think that the point to be made about Shockey and the Giants is that the Giants offense seemed to play better after Shockey was out for the rest of the 2007 season. I am included with the group that thinks that there is a correlation there.

the giants are a different team....they use shockey but not the best way....we would use him the best way....they dont need him to win a SB because they have a great D and a good enough offense.....we have a great offense that would be near perfection if we got him and a poor D....getting shockey doesnt upgrade our D....but it will definitly help our scoring....we wont need as great of a defense because we will put even more points up on the board

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-04-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

shockey will by no means be underutilized here....we pass more than run...because we can....because we are good at it....shockey will be key at catching short passes and bailing drew out when he needs it...

Which is something that Reggie, Deuce, Karney, Patton, Johnson, and Miller somehow don't do?

shockey is one of the best TEs in the league and his production proves it....with a great QB behind the wheel...he will get his catches....he will be happy with his production

You may be right. Johnson and Miller combined for 74 catches last year. If they all go to Shockey, he may just be satisfied.

Maybe.

SFIAH

Rsanders24 · 05-04-2008, 11:02 PM

The hell with Shockey! We have other places we need to use that money! I.E. Smith, Colston, and possibly P. Thomas and Vilma! Miller was more than serviceable last season and Johnson will perform better this season.

pakowitz · 05-04-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Which is something that Reggie, Deuce, Karney, Patton, Johnson, and Miller somehow don't do?

the only player you listed that garners any real attention as a pass catcher is reggie.. the addition of shockey will cause the LBs to not be able to spy on reggie out of the backfield and will open up more holes in the flats and suck up the safetys allowing brees to attack down the field...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-04-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

the only player you listed that garners any real attention as a pass catcher is reggie.. the addition of shockey will cause the LBs to not be able to spy on reggie out of the backfield and will open up more holes in the flats and suck up the safetys allowing brees to attack down the field...

I guess that's the reason that Johnson and Miller had 74 catches between them last year. Because no one paid any attention to them.

SFIAH

pakowitz · 05-04-2008, 11:51 PM

ok so they had 74 catches.. but does anyone really think that they are a threat? do you think the DC of our opponents gameplan to stop johnson and miller? does anyone here think they have done anything of real significance on the offensive side of the ball?

i dont..

05-04-2008, 06:30 PM	#31
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by iceshack149 You're close. Why can't the Saints obtain some one like Antonio Pierce rather than Shockey? I don't know what either of them are "worth" but if the price is close to the same, give me more defense. My point is that the Saints offense aint broke so don't fix it. The defense has been broken for years and the Saints have done a great job in attempting to repair it this off season so either quit while you are ahead or bring in more competition on defense. I think that the point to be made about Shockey and the Giants is that the Giants offense seemed to play better after Shockey was out for the rest of the 2007 season. I am included with the group that thinks that there is a correlation there. Preach on Iceshack, preach on! SFIAH

05-04-2008, 06:52 PM	#32
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: payton wants shockey................... We didnt need Vilma and Ellis to reach the conference championship game why did we get them? Of course the NFC championship game aint the SB but as a Saints fan it aint bad either. As a Saints fan could we be content ending a season before the SB is played since the Saints have never made it that far I was content with the NFC championship game. I think 2006 was a good year and it was enjoyable to watch them play football as a team. I dont know how much enjoyment you will get as a Saints fan if they have to win a SB every year for it to be a good year. Yeah it will be nice to make it once but after we get there I hope we dont have to wait 30+ years for a repeat performance. Shockey is an upgrade it would be hard to prove otherwise but at what cost do we get him for. If Payton wants him I hope he can hold out for the best possible deal and not sell the farm for him. 3 spots separate Shockey and Johnson in receptions. #8 & #11. 17 spots separate Shockey and Johnson in yardage. #7 & #24. 3 more yards were gained each pass by Shockey over Johnson. 10.9 & 7.9.
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167

05-04-2008, 08:08 PM	#33
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL You have a guy that complains that he's underutilized in an offense. He'll come to an offense where he's guaranteed to be underutilized. shockey will by no means be underutilized here....we pass more than run...because we can....because we are good at it....shockey will be key at catching short passes and bailing drew out when he needs it...shockey is one of the best TEs in the league and his production proves it....with a great QB behind the wheel...he will get his catches....he will be happy with his production

05-04-2008, 08:13 PM	#34
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by iceshack149 You're close. Why can't the Saints obtain some one like Antonio Pierce rather than Shockey? I don't know what either of them are "worth" but if the price is close to the same, give me more defense. My point is that the Saints offense aint broke so don't fix it. The defense has been broken for years and the Saints have done a great job in attempting to repair it this off season so either quit while you are ahead or bring in more competition on defense. I think that the point to be made about Shockey and the Giants is that the Giants offense seemed to play better after Shockey was out for the rest of the 2007 season. I am included with the group that thinks that there is a correlation there. the giants need a TE that blocks better than he catches....they are a run first team....shockey can block but is not a great blocker...he is better at catching and moving the ball....our offense is like a big house....our defense is like the neighbor thats rundown.....adding shockey would be like putting a big a-- pool in our backyard....it would make our offense so much better and then when the neighbors are sneaking into the pool....u can cut their yard and paint their house

05-04-2008, 08:16 PM	#35
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by iceshack149 I think that the point to be made about Shockey and the Giants is that the Giants offense seemed to play better after Shockey was out for the rest of the 2007 season. I am included with the group that thinks that there is a correlation there. the giants are a different team....they use shockey but not the best way....we would use him the best way....they dont need him to win a SB because they have a great D and a good enough offense.....we have a great offense that would be near perfection if we got him and a poor D....getting shockey doesnt upgrade our D....but it will definitly help our scoring....we wont need as great of a defense because we will put even more points up on the board

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05-04-2008, 10:27 PM	#36
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by CantonLegend shockey will by no means be underutilized here....we pass more than run...because we can....because we are good at it....shockey will be key at catching short passes and bailing drew out when he needs it... Which is something that Reggie, Deuce, Karney, Patton, Johnson, and Miller somehow don't do? shockey is one of the best TEs in the league and his production proves it....with a great QB behind the wheel...he will get his catches....he will be happy with his production You may be right. Johnson and Miller combined for 74 catches last year. If they all go to Shockey, he may just be satisfied. Maybe. SFIAH

05-04-2008, 11:02 PM	#37
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: payton wants shockey................... The hell with Shockey! We have other places we need to use that money! I.E. Smith, Colston, and possibly P. Thomas and Vilma! Miller was more than serviceable last season and Johnson will perform better this season.

05-04-2008, 11:27 PM	#38
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Which is something that Reggie, Deuce, Karney, Patton, Johnson, and Miller somehow don't do? the only player you listed that garners any real attention as a pass catcher is reggie.. the addition of shockey will cause the LBs to not be able to spy on reggie out of the backfield and will open up more holes in the flats and suck up the safetys allowing brees to attack down the field...

05-04-2008, 11:47 PM	#39
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by pakowitz the only player you listed that garners any real attention as a pass catcher is reggie.. the addition of shockey will cause the LBs to not be able to spy on reggie out of the backfield and will open up more holes in the flats and suck up the safetys allowing brees to attack down the field... I guess that's the reason that Johnson and Miller had 74 catches between them last year. Because no one paid any attention to them. SFIAH

05-04-2008, 11:51 PM	#40
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: payton wants shockey................... ok so they had 74 catches.. but does anyone really think that they are a threat? do you think the DC of our opponents gameplan to stop johnson and miller? does anyone here think they have done anything of real significance on the offensive side of the ball? i dont..