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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I thought this was a pretty cogent argument for Shockey from an earlier post (before we go an discuss this all again): Originally Posted by jewagr007 Ok Guys and Gals, Lets break this down. Johnson and Miller both are classified ...
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05-04-2008, 12:29 PM | #11 |
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Re: payton wants shockey...................
I thought this was a pretty cogent argument for Shockey from an earlier post (before we go an discuss this all again):
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05-04-2008, 12:35 PM | #12 |
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Re: payton wants shockey...................
OT is the only area of our team thats MIGHT have the depth to afford a major hit. I do not see any other area we can really afford to do something and have the giants go for it. I am just not seeing it. Picks? #2 is in limbo with vilma. A mid round pick next year and a second in 2010? I am not seeing any other way but with a player. Or paying them a higher second pick to differ the higher pick till one year later.
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05-04-2008, 12:58 PM | #13 |
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Originally Posted by hagan714
actually our #2 isn't in limbo, it's our #3 apparently.
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05-04-2008, 01:04 PM | #14 |
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Re: payton wants shockey...................
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
Is it just me are is the quality of your post suffering lately, besides, I love beachfront property. What's available in Kansas anyway... lakefront I suppose?
The Giants won the Superbowl because of DEFENSE. Those guys stepped it up and took Brady out of his game. It's completely stupid to say that they won because Shockey wasn't playing. The guy is a stud player with a get me the ball attitude that many great WRs have. If you've never played, you might not understand. I love his attitude, and so does Payton. As for Shockey's contract, it is what it is. I've never heard that he wants to restructure it or that's it a problem, so enough said. |
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05-04-2008, 01:14 PM | #15 |
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This Shockey thing will not die . IMHO I hope it happens . A 2nd rd pick next year and a conditional mid round next year. Only problem is Vilma trade obligated that pick to the JETS. At this point a player trade and future considerations seem more likely . Who or What I don't know . I would think that Payton still has some ties with the NYG and knows that the Giants want to move Shockey
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05-04-2008, 01:38 PM | #16 |
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The whole "the Giants won because Shockey wasn't playing" argument holds no water whatsoever. What if Bush were to get hurt next year, and we made it to the playoffs? Would you say that the reason we made it was because he wasn't playing? You can't say it. Well you can, but it makes no sense.
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05-04-2008, 01:46 PM | #17 |
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'New chapter' as Vilma dealt from Jets to Saints
By John Clayton Updated: February 29, 2008, 10:53 PM ET It was the first time in his football career that he had a season-ending injury. Now, four months removed from surgery, Vilma, was traded to the New Orleans Saints on Friday for a conditional fourth-round choice. The Jets could receive a second- or third-round pick in 2009 depending on how much Vilma plays and if he signs a contract extension. Talks have not started on a contract extension for Vilma, who is entering the final year of his rookie deal. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3270701 Call optimistic but I am hoping to get Vilma all year and signed. Thus loosing a 2nd. Well we could sit him till Morgan gets his bell rung and hope the # of games is enough to keep our 2nd and fork over just a third. Just a dirty trick but what the heck. |
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05-04-2008, 02:10 PM | #18 |
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Originally Posted by foreverfan
No. Oceanfront.
That's exactly my point. You outlined my other point too. The Giants won because of defense. The Saints went to heroic measures this offseason to improve their defense. If they go deep into the playoffs this upcoming season it'll be because of the defensive improvements, not the addition of a TE. The Saints have been #1 and #4 offense in the league the last two years without Shockey. Adding him just isn't going to make the offense that much better. More importantly the issue of Shockey's addition to team chemistry needs to be addressed. The Saints simply don't have whining superstar divas on their team right now. And Shockey has been shown to be that at times.
Payton's offense isn't going to revolve around the TE. Shockey will not be either the leader nor the center of the Saints offense if he comes. Can he live with that? Can he live with the money in his current contract? Frankly I'd rather have Billy Miller out there working hard, catching passes, and being a integral, productive part of the offense, than Shockey not being happy and therefore being disruptive.
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05-04-2008, 02:32 PM | #19 |
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Originally Posted by Champ Kind
It holds gallons of water. What proof do you need that we don't need him to win a SB? He didn't win it for NY. NY went on to win it without his crappy self-serving attitude. He wasn't even on the sidelines during the games.
Don't try and compare apples to oranges (SB or playoffs) but use the same situation if we win the SB without Bush you can easily say the same thing, whats wrong with that... it would be fact. |
05-04-2008, 02:40 PM | #20 |
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Originally Posted by Champ Kind
So does the assertion that the Saints need Shockey to win the SuperBowl, which was the original argument that foreverfan made.
It has been and continues to be my assertion that for the Saints to be successful on offense all that needs to happen is for Brees to remain healthy and upright. He and he alone is the engine that makes this offense go. I just don't believe that Shockey can be had for either the right price or the right attitude for this team. The Giants want a 1st round draft pick. Shockey is going to want to get paid. And he's a diva. I don't care how talented he is. The compensation, money and attitude do not fit the Saints. I guess you guys have forgotten that a couple of years ago he called out his coach. A reminder: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2601690 I too wish that this story will die. I don't play fantasy football, so I really don't care about stats. Give me a tight end that will help the team win and not cause any problems. Can anyone guarantee that Shockey will be that guy? Good luck with that. SFIAH |
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