Jeremy Shockey

mikesaintfan · 05-08-2008, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Question: Substitute Eric Johnson and Billy Miller into the above question.

On our offense the TE is the 4th option at best. Would the Saints be able to exploit this and become a huge threat.

The Saints TE had more catches, yards, and TDs than Shockey. So exactly why are they not already a huge threat?

And I'm going to pound my point into submission: Johnson and Miller accomplish this without any drama. Is upgrading the TE position, which you admit is a 4th option worth the drama? Worth the cost (most likely a 1st round draft pick next year or a starting player)?

Talent? Yes. Drama? Yes. Cost? Hefty.

Can some Shockey Jockey please address the issues of attitude and cost? You guys are really losing on the production argument.

Pass

SFIAH

so billy miller and eric johnson vs defenses that dont care about them equaling shockeys catches vs defenses that plan for him as a big time player is a good thing? if other teams place more focus on shockey and keep him at bm/ej stats what does that do for colston, bush, duece and meachum/patten/henderson?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-08-2008, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

so billy miller and eric johnson vs defenses that dont care about them equaling shockeys catches vs defenses that plan for him as a big time player is a good thing?

With the relative costs? Absolutely!

BTW Miller and Johnson are not playing 11 on 10. The defense have to account for them too. A safety or a LB have to cover them.

if other teams place more focus on shockey and keep him at bm/ej stats what does that do for colston, bush, duece and meachum/patten/henderson?

I'm going to keep saying the word until it gets addressed. Let's try three times:

cost, Cost, and COST!

If Shockey were free, I'd take him. If Shockey could be had for next year's 5th, I'd take him. If I could foist Bullocks onto the Giants for Shockey I'd take him.

Dude, the Giants wanted Harper and a 2nd round pick for Shockey. OUCH!!!

Now the financial and team chemistry costs, which are related. You think Shockey is going to be satisfied just being a part of an offense at his current price? He's going to want to be the centerpiece of the offense and want to get paid premium TE money for the privilege.

What impact do you think that Mr. Unhappy is going to bring to the Locker Room. Shockey hasn't participated with anything with the Giants AFAICT. That's the kind of "team player" you want in the Saints locker room?

Let me see if I can give you an oddball example. With gas prices going through the roof, I've been looking at electric cars. You can find my dream car right here:

Tesla Motors

0-60 in 3.9 S, 2 cents a mile to drive, 220 miles per charge. A dream electric car...

...That costs $100,000 for the base model!

With Shockey I'm not even going to bother continuing to argue the production angle. I'm even willing to stipulate to the production of the TE position, even if I don't really believe it's going to be as much an impact as ya'll do.

But Shockey isn't a Saint right now because of costs. It's going to be a painfully high price to bring him in. Those costs can impact the Saints for years to come.

Are you sure you're willing to pay it?

SFIAH

05-08-2008, 07:19 AM	#1
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Question: Substitute Eric Johnson and Billy Miller into the above question. On our offense the TE is the 4th option at best. Would the Saints be able to exploit this and become a huge threat. The Saints TE had more catches, yards, and TDs than Shockey. So exactly why are they not already a huge threat? And I'm going to pound my point into submission: Johnson and Miller accomplish this without any drama. Is upgrading the TE position, which you admit is a 4th option worth the drama? Worth the cost (most likely a 1st round draft pick next year or a starting player)? Talent? Yes. Drama? Yes. Cost? Hefty. Can some Shockey Jockey please address the issues of attitude and cost? You guys are really losing on the production argument. Pass SFIAH so billy miller and eric johnson vs defenses that dont care about them equaling shockeys catches vs defenses that plan for him as a big time player is a good thing? if other teams place more focus on shockey and keep him at bm/ej stats what does that do for colston, bush, duece and meachum/patten/henderson?

05-08-2008, 09:28 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by mikesaintfan so billy miller and eric johnson vs defenses that dont care about them equaling shockeys catches vs defenses that plan for him as a big time player is a good thing? With the relative costs? Absolutely! BTW Miller and Johnson are not playing 11 on 10. The defense have to account for them too. A safety or a LB have to cover them. if other teams place more focus on shockey and keep him at bm/ej stats what does that do for colston, bush, duece and meachum/patten/henderson? I'm going to keep saying the word until it gets addressed. Let's try three times: cost, Cost, and COST! If Shockey were free, I'd take him. If Shockey could be had for next year's 5th, I'd take him. If I could foist Bullocks onto the Giants for Shockey I'd take him. Dude, the Giants wanted Harper and a 2nd round pick for Shockey. OUCH!!! Now the financial and team chemistry costs, which are related. You think Shockey is going to be satisfied just being a part of an offense at his current price? He's going to want to be the centerpiece of the offense and want to get paid premium TE money for the privilege. What impact do you think that Mr. Unhappy is going to bring to the Locker Room. Shockey hasn't participated with anything with the Giants AFAICT. That's the kind of "team player" you want in the Saints locker room? Let me see if I can give you an oddball example. With gas prices going through the roof, I've been looking at electric cars. You can find my dream car right here: Tesla Motors 0-60 in 3.9 S, 2 cents a mile to drive, 220 miles per charge. A dream electric car... ...That costs $100,000 for the base model! With Shockey I'm not even going to bother continuing to argue the production angle. I'm even willing to stipulate to the production of the TE position, even if I don't really believe it's going to be as much an impact as ya'll do. But Shockey isn't a Saint right now because of costs. It's going to be a painfully high price to bring him in. Those costs can impact the Saints for years to come. Are you sure you're willing to pay it? SFIAH
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