porter ready for next test in nfl........

foreverfan · 05-06-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

This makes EXACTLY as much sense as a stranger walking up to you and asking you what time it is, and responding by giving him a picture of a donkey, telling him you love Jesus, farting, and walking off.

But, I don't expect a response to this.

I bet you do this all the time.

SmashMouth · 05-06-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

I bet you do this all the time.

.. what? .... farting off?

JKool · 05-05-2008, 04:58 PM

Not really.

Certainly stats aren't all there is to the story, but I'm disinclined to arguments that they don't mean anything at all.

JKool · 05-05-2008, 05:00 PM

Also, does this mean you've seen a bunch of NFL games that Ellis and Porter played? If seeing them play is the only way to evaluate them, then why say anything at all?

hagan714 · 05-05-2008, 05:12 PM

suit'em up first

JKool · 05-05-2008, 05:16 PM

I got a little snarky there. My apologies.

I just don't understand these anti-statistics arguments. I certainly agree that they don't tell the whole story, so they can be misleading. However, watching several games is open to a common fallacy known as hasty generalization.

There is a trade off between visual experience and statistical analysis (and probably other things). Alone, each is not as good as they are together. However, I just continue to resist the idea that one is SO MUCH BETTER than the other. They are just different kinds of information (and they are roughly equally incomplete).

WillMacKenzie · 05-05-2008, 05:35 PM

I'm just sayin I'm not sold on Porter as I am on Ellis. And I tried to provide SOME reasoning and evidence for my case.

By all means, I hope he's the best corner in the NFL for the next 10 years - I just have my doubts right now. I'm skeptical of this guy. Civil debate is what used to make this country great : D

JKool · 05-05-2008, 06:41 PM

I completely agree.

This time of year there is always a ton of hype. It is good to keep a bit of a skeptical stance.

I too think that Porter's impact will be much less than appears to be anticipated by fans. The learning curve for CBs tends to take a couple of years; that is, even if Porter turns out to be great, it won't be right away, certainly.

JKool · 05-06-2008, 10:11 AM

Memnoch, I like your point about the misleading nature of words. That fits nicely with my idea about the misleading nature of "viewing". Do you agree that an aggregation of various types of evidence is a good thing, or do you think we are always mislead? Just curious really.

TheDuece, nice take on the role of stats in this argument. I agree. The stats don't tell the whole story, but how can they be completely discounted (at least without some other argument)? Though, I may disagree with you slightly on the MLB point, overall I'm on board with what you're saying.

stockman311 · 05-06-2008, 10:34 AM

As long as he doesn't get beat deep, I don't care how poorly he tackles. If we can get opposing teams off the field this year on 3rd and long and stop with all the 20+ yd plays on us we are going to murder the league this year.

05-06-2008, 04:42 PM	#1
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP This makes EXACTLY as much sense as a stranger walking up to you and asking you what time it is, and responding by giving him a picture of a donkey, telling him you love Jesus, farting, and walking off. But, I don't expect a response to this. I bet you do this all the time.

05-06-2008, 08:22 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,807 Blog Entries: 29	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Originally Posted by foreverfan I bet you do this all the time. .. what? .... farting off?

05-05-2008, 04:58 PM	#3
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Not really. Certainly stats aren't all there is to the story, but I'm disinclined to arguments that they don't mean anything at all.

05-05-2008, 05:00 PM	#4
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Also, does this mean you've seen a bunch of NFL games that Ellis and Porter played? If seeing them play is the only way to evaluate them, then why say anything at all?

05-05-2008, 05:12 PM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ suit'em up first

05-05-2008, 05:16 PM	#6
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ I got a little snarky there. My apologies. I just don't understand these anti-statistics arguments. I certainly agree that they don't tell the whole story, so they can be misleading. However, watching several games is open to a common fallacy known as hasty generalization. There is a trade off between visual experience and statistical analysis (and probably other things). Alone, each is not as good as they are together. However, I just continue to resist the idea that one is SO MUCH BETTER than the other. They are just different kinds of information (and they are roughly equally incomplete).
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

05-05-2008, 05:35 PM	#7
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ I'm just sayin I'm not sold on Porter as I am on Ellis. And I tried to provide SOME reasoning and evidence for my case. By all means, I hope he's the best corner in the NFL for the next 10 years - I just have my doubts right now. I'm skeptical of this guy. Civil debate is what used to make this country great : D

05-05-2008, 06:41 PM	#8
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ I completely agree. This time of year there is always a ton of hype. It is good to keep a bit of a skeptical stance. I too think that Porter's impact will be much less than appears to be anticipated by fans. The learning curve for CBs tends to take a couple of years; that is, even if Porter turns out to be great, it won't be right away, certainly.

05-06-2008, 10:11 AM	#9
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ Memnoch, I like your point about the misleading nature of words. That fits nicely with my idea about the misleading nature of "viewing". Do you agree that an aggregation of various types of evidence is a good thing, or do you think we are always mislead? Just curious really. TheDuece, nice take on the role of stats in this argument. I agree. The stats don't tell the whole story, but how can they be completely discounted (at least without some other argument)? Though, I may disagree with you slightly on the MLB point, overall I'm on board with what you're saying.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

05-06-2008, 10:34 AM	#10
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: porter ready for next test in nfl........ As long as he doesn't get beat deep, I don't care how poorly he tackles. If we can get opposing teams off the field this year on 3rd and long and stop with all the 20+ yd plays on us we are going to murder the league this year.