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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by bobad Yes, but a good defense can make those fears go away. Saints had one of the best D's in the league in the 80's, but it wasn't enough. The Ravens have one of the best D's, ...

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Old 05-18-2008, 03:33 PM   #1
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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

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Yes, but a good defense can make those fears go away.
Saints had one of the best D's in the league in the 80's, but it wasn't enough.
The Ravens have one of the best D's, but they have not returned to the SB.

Good D is not enough. Teams that consistently get to the playoffs and SB, have excellent running games, as well as good D.

To help your running game, you must have a passing threat, et cetera.

To have a perimeter running game but no bruiser up the middle, lets your opponent, focus on stopping screens and slants.

With no TE threat, DB's can smother the WR's, and so on.

The elite teams get this and configure their teams to be effective at all of the above.

Perimeter runners, between the tackles runners, receiving tight ends, blocking tight ends, all help to keep the opponents D honest.

I don't feel like we have all these bases covered at the moment.

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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

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Saints had one of the best D's in the league in the 80's, but it wasn't enough.
The Ravens have one of the best D's, but they have not returned to the SB.

Good D is not enough. Teams that consistently get to the playoffs and SB, have excellent running games, as well as good D.

To help your running game, you must have a passing threat, et cetera.

To have a perimeter running game but no bruiser up the middle, lets your opponent, focus on stopping screens and slants.

With no TE threat, DB's can smother the WR's, and so on.

The elite teams get this and configure their teams to be effective at all of the above.

Perimeter runners, between the tackles runners, receiving tight ends, blocking tight ends, all help to keep the opponents D honest.

I don't feel like we have all these bases covered at the moment.


no team has everything covered.. all teams have weaknesses..
the best way to combat this is to find ways to mask your weaknesses and play to your strengths

that being said...


if you want to talk about a lack of depth.. the only place you really need to look at is the QB position... if brees goes down.. our whole season goes with him..

our only other real weakness right now is the lack of a bruising running back incase deuce goes down.. that doesnt mean that we dont have good depth at the position..

we have several descent TEs and while i would like to have the position upgraded with a better receiving TE.. its still on par with much of the leagues depth at TE and even without that huge threat at TE, defenses still had trouble stopping our offense

another thing i think could use some more help is the secondary.. we have alot of really young players and alot of really old players.. i would have felt better about the position if they would have brought in another young vet corner around the same age as Gay to compete but that didnt happen.. that being said.. i dont think it will be as big of a factor as it was last year based solely on the presence of Ellis and and improved pass rush, which should help mask alot of the problems in our secondary...
its not going to be as bad as everyone thinks it will be...

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Old 05-18-2008, 04:07 PM   #3
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no team has everything covered.. all teams have weaknesses..
the best way to combat this is to find ways to mask your weaknesses and play to your strengths

that being said...


if you want to talk about a lack of depth.. the only place you really need to look at is the QB position... if brees goes down.. our whole season goes with him..

our only other real weakness right now is the lack of a bruising running back incase deuce goes down.. that doesnt mean that we dont have good depth at the position..

we have several descent TEs and while i would like to have the position upgraded with a better receiving TE.. its still on par with much of the leagues depth at TE and even without that huge threat at TE, defenses still had trouble stopping our offense

another thing i think could use some more help is the secondary.. we have alot of really young players and alot of really old players.. i would have felt better about the position if they would have brought in another young vet corner around the same age as Gay to compete but that didnt happen.. that being said.. i dont think it will be as big of a factor as it was last year based solely on the presence of Ellis and and improved pass rush, which should help mask alot of the problems in our secondary...
its not going to be as bad as everyone thinks it will be...

The 06 Saints and the 07 Saints were very similar personnel-wise. However, the 06 Saints had a much better season.

The difference was the running game. Our O stayed on the field with good third down stats and kept our D and opponent's O on the sideline.

I don't see any 08 solutions to the 07 problems.

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The 06 Saints and the 07 Saints were very similar personnel-wise. However, the 06 Saints had a much better season.

The difference was the running game. Our O stayed on the field with good third down stats and kept our D and opponent's O on the sideline.

I don't see any 08 solutions to the 07 problems.

RB / TE / DB

really.. are u serious?

in 06, we had deuce who came off of surgery just like this year and had one of the better years in his career, reggie.. who was a rookie in 06 and is now poised for a breakout year.. and stecker, who was a descent back up then and still is... and now we also have a good young player in PT..

i think you are undervaluing the presence of reggie.. he takes alot of heat off of the other guys just b/c of the gameplans that defenses put up just to stop him.. and if you think that they arent.. then you are sorely mistaken...


TE, which hasnt been a threat in N.O. for years wasnt really a factor in 06.. we still had the #1 offense in the league.. and in 07, we had the #5 offense.. even with an upgraded TE position from 06...

DB has been improved.. 06 we had fred thomas who was horrible and jay bellamy who was also horrible.... last year we had JD who was also horrible but had been playing in a zone heavy defense for the previous 4 years... i look JD to have a much better year, Harper has taken over for bellamy and has improved the play at the SS position...the addition of Gay will improve the depth at CB and McKenzie is coming off his best year as a DB and should be back to full form by the start of the season.. T. Porter an U. Young should both improve this year and will be fighting for a starting job either next year of the year after...


in addition to that... i think you are lookin at the wrong area of problems.. id say our biggest problem areas in 07 were DT, LB and CB and Oline.. we have improved the oline.. gotten a probowl MLB.. drafted a runstuffing penetrating DT who will take pressure off of w. smith and c. grant.. signed depth at LB and DE which will help our guys from getting worn out... we have signed several CBs which give us depth at the position...

id say our biggest problem in 08, is adding a better backup qb and finding another reciever to compliment colston...

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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

id say our biggest problem in 08, is adding a better backup qb and finding another reciever to compliment colston...
I would like a good CB, maybe another good safty... possibly a DT & Shockey would have been niiice...

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really.. are u serious?

in 06, we had deuce who came off of surgery just like this year and had one of the better years in his career, reggie.. who was a rookie in 06 and is now poised for a breakout year.. and stecker, who was a descent back up then and still is... and now we also have a good young player in PT..

i think you are undervaluing the presence of reggie.. he takes alot of heat off of the other guys just b/c of the gameplans that defenses put up just to stop him.. and if you think that they arent.. then you are sorely mistaken...


TE, which hasnt been a threat in N.O. for years wasnt really a factor in 06.. we still had the #1 offense in the league.. and in 07, we had the #5 offense.. even with an upgraded TE position from 06...

DB has been improved.. 06 we had fred thomas who was horrible and jay bellamy who was also horrible.... last year we had JD who was also horrible but had been playing in a zone heavy defense for the previous 4 years... i look JD to have a much better year, Harper has taken over for bellamy and has improved the play at the SS position...the addition of Gay will improve the depth at CB and McKenzie is coming off his best year as a DB and should be back to full form by the start of the season.. T. Porter an U. Young should both improve this year and will be fighting for a starting job either next year of the year after...


in addition to that... i think you are looking at the wrong area of problems.. id say our biggest problem areas in 07 were DT, LB and CB and Oline.. we have improved the oline.. gotten a probowl MLB.. drafted a run stuffing penetrating DT who will take pressure off of w. smith and c. grant.. signed depth at LB and DE which will help our guys from getting worn out... we have signed several CBs which give us depth at the position...

id say our biggest problem in 08, is adding a better backup qb and finding another receiver to compliment Colston...

Brunell is a serviceable backup to Brees. However, there may still be better out there. Tim Rattay, or maybe Gradkowski from Tampa or Redman from ATL.

With all these O Linemen on the roster, they ought to be able to protect Brees.
On that note, protecting Brees, as well as, helping the running game is why we need to upgrade the TE position significantly. Maybe Kyle Brady or similar.
I had my eye on Brad Cottam / Kellen Davis / Martellus Bennet in the Draft.

I'm pissed that we didn't get Matt Forte. That would have probably shut me up for a while. LOL

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Old 05-18-2008, 05:05 PM   #7
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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

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Brunell is a serviceable backup to Brees. However, there may still be better out there. Tim Rattay, or maybe Gradkowski from Tampa or Redman from ATL.
brunell is good enough to get some wins but we will only go as far as brees can take us...



With all these O Linemen on the roster, they ought to be able to protect Brees.
which they did... only giving up 18 sacks last year.. which i believe was best in the league...

helping the running game is why we need to upgrade the TE position significantly. Maybe Kyle Brady or similar.
I had my eye on Brad Cottam / Kellen Davis / Martellus Bennet in the Draft.

huh? how will getting any of those pass catching TEs upgrade the running game?

I'm pissed that we didn't get Matt Forte. That would have probably shut me up for a while. LOL

why would we need another backup to reggie bush...? he isnt a bruiser like deuce either... ill agree that we could use another big back, but we do not need another slashing back.. we have 3 of those already...
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huh? how will getting any of those pass catching TEs upgrade the running game?
No, I meant real TE's, that can block in the running game as well as catch in the passing game.


why would we need another backup to reggie bush...? he isnt a bruiser like deuce either... ill agree that we could use another big back, but we do not need another slashing back.. we have 3 of those already...
Deuce 6'1" / 230lbs.

Matt Forte 6'2" / 232lbs, over 2300 yards rushing in one season. 4 back to back games with over 1000 yards rushing.

I don't have Matt Forte listed as a Scat Back.
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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

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The 06 Saints and the 07 Saints were very similar personnel-wise. However, the 06 Saints had a much better season.

The difference was the running game. Our O stayed on the field with good third down stats and kept our D and opponent's O on the sideline.

I don't see any 08 solutions to the 07 problems.

RB / TE / DB
It really is hard to give any blame for last year on the offense. After our starting RB, then our #2 rb, then our #3 RB goes down we finish the year as the 4th best offense in the league. The reason Brees now has the record for most attempts and completions in a year is due to our defense as much as anything.

The comment about 3rd down stats caused me to check out some stats.
2006 ranked 3rd on 3rd down percentage

2007 tied with 2 others at 4th on 3rd down percentage

Well that might be a huge issue for the Saints and might cause some concern if not for the fact that we got better in 2007 compared to 2006.
2006 converted on 45% of 3rd down attempts

2007 converted on 46% of 3rd down attempts
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:46 PM   #10
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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

I started this thread with a question about the team's lack of depth at RB, TE and DB.

Starting RB: Deuce ( 2 ACL, 1 Microfracture surgery )
Starting TE: Eric Johnson ( Knee )
Starting CB: McKenzie ( ACL )

IMO, the Saints are scary thin at these key positions and the failure to address the problem in Free Agency and the Draft, will be a major factor in 08.

The competition we will face this year is very strong.

I am a big Saints fan, believe it or not and I sincerely hope that I am wrong and that those of you who disagreed with me are right.

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