05-19-2008, 01:37 AM
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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
PT23 started against the Bears. He only rushed for a buck and caught a buck in passes in that start.
Reggie started against the Seahawks. Rushed for 97 with a 5.1 YPC average in that game.
Aaron Stecker started against Atlanta. Rushed for 100 yards on 20 carries.
Now while I will admit that for each this was their best performances last year, it shows that they have the capability to start for this team.
Payton doesn't run the ball with any consistency no matter who is back there. In 2006 Deuce only got 1057 yards on 243 carries. That's only 15 carries per game.
We have backs that will do the job the offense needs done.
Reggie is a perimeter runner. PT and Stecker are decent players. They are NOT starters. PT may turn into a Westbrook-type, which would help provide a change of pace.
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
The Saints two top TE caught 74 passes for 709 yards and 4 TD last year. Each of those stats were better than the coveted Jeremy Shockey. It's only one less catch than Gates (though admittedly his yards and TDs were much better)
If they are the answer at TE, then why only sign them for one year, league minimum contracts?
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
There was only one premier CB in free agency. I understand the Saints made a play. He chose to go somewhere else.
Hall, Trufant, Samuels, Sheppard, Asomugha. And there were many second tier corners that were available, if we had wanted to make a move.
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
The Saints signed 2 free agents and drafted a CB in the 2nd round. They also drafted a CB in the 3rd round last year. They signed a smart ballhawking safety in KK last year.
What exactly do you want them to do at the position?
Stop signing unwanted vets and drafting rookies. Go get some talent to start now.
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
At RB we're running 4 deep. The problem seems significant last year because the top 3 backs all got injured. PT23 showed his heart in that Chicago game, and now Coach Payton will trust the guy enough to give him some playing time. He'll spell Deuce, which will make him available deeper into the season.
Could we benefit from having an All Pro TE? Pf course. But the guys we have have certainly proved serviceable, especially Billy Miller. I'm going to trust the staff on this one, because both Johnson and Miller were free agents, and the Saints resigned both guys. If they didn't fit into the scheme, they could have simply walked away from both of them.
The secondary problems have a primary cause from the front 7. Safeties needing to be up for run support coupled with a lack of pass rush left them exposed. When you make an insurance salesman (Redmond) and two rookies (Gray and Mohr) look like Pro Bowl QBs then you have a problem up front in addition to the secondary. With a significant upgrade both at DT and MLB, the pressure will shift from our secondary to the opposing QB. The Saints secondary is going to look at lot better in 2008.
The only urgency at this point is health. Guys like McKenzie, Deuce, Grant, Vilma, and Morgan have to be healthy and ready to contribute.
In closing I can see talking about the secondary. Their performance last year was flat awful. But I really don't understand the continual pounding on the offense. This offense runs off Drew Brees. As long as dude is upright, then everything else falls into place. Last year there were changes in receivers, backs, TE, and O-line positions. Still finished 4th in yards and 12th in points. Consider the constant in all of that.
SFIAH
Your optimism is wonderful. But we need healthy, starting-caliber players at RB / TE / DB, ready to play in game one versus Tampa.
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