The Sky is Falling

saint5221 · 08-25-2003, 02:33 PM

How would you you react to this version of your post? You come in mighty strong when it comes to matters of opinion. You might be right but so might someone else and while you pay lip service to this concept, your message says otherwise.

b] Billy[/b:56e900bf1c] you are writing the defense on this year when you\'ve only seen them play for about 5 quarters and all the regular starters have not been on the field at the same time yet.

You really have nothing else to base your Pie in the sky theory on.

There is a conspriacy going on here, but it ain\'t from the coaching staff- it\'s from Billy , and here it is:

Billy you have already made your mind up about the coaching staff and the QB long before this season ever got here. You\'re convinced that they could get to the playoffs if they were coaching some of the great crap teams, like the 49\'ers in their early years.

Billy you are like a bunch of rabid dogs-waiting to attack-at the first sign of disagreement . The hate has you blinded. It has blinded you so bad that preseason games and performances are the standard to be completly ignored.

You can\'t wait for Aaron Brooks to be canonized . You are completely convinced it\'s gonna happen. You have scanned the internet for articles that side with your opinoion and it just adds fuel to the fire.

But I ain\'t buying what ya selling. I\'ve been watching preseason too long to be fooled. Sure your theory may come true. Anything\'s possible, but I\'ll stick to using my own eyes and mind waiting for the real games to be played before I let you convince me .

In the famous words of Jim Mora- \" You don\'t know nothing. You think you do, but you don\'t and you never will\"

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 02:42 PM

For the record- I\'m just playing around with those guys. I\'m worried too. But I am serious when I say that it\'s too early for all the gloom and doom.

saints5221- Nice job with the post by the way. Don\'t ever do that again...

[Edited on 25/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

lumm0x · 08-25-2003, 03:21 PM

As much as I knock Rick Venturi, the problems that I watch are not attributed to him. Defenders that aren\'t wrapping up on tackles, linemen allowing the jump through, ends losing containment angle to a blocker...... that stuff bothers me because it is position basics. Venturi shouldn\'t have to be telling a defensive lineman how to react to a fold block or to not get reached by the guard. A player should have that beaten into his head since he was twelve. Some individual players are giving inexcusable performances in the most rudimentary of positional skills and that is what scares me. I\'m sure that\'s why Haslett is baffled, because it\'s not a lack of scheming that is causing the problem, but a lack of ability to do the basics.
Why add to a players list of responsibilities on a play when he can\'t even get past step one.
I really think we have a wealth of skilled players on this defense. I know Haslett has and can create unique and effective schemes, and that Venturi is a good person to vocalize these ideas to players. There are so many can\'s and if\'s, but when players of this caliber are so off-page this early it makes me wonder when they will get it together. I just don\'t want to see the early winable games slip through our fingers and hope that something special is going on in practices right now. Miami will be another test as they have been moving the ball effectively and really spreading defenses out, forcing individual matchups.

FWtex · 08-25-2003, 04:35 PM

1. I honestly don\'t recall a single post started since the preseason that was about AB. All the AB I have seen has come from someone trying to make a point to cover for another weakness. And BTW, that argument does not hold water. AB is not going to be the problem this year ... at least not by himself.

2. I could care less what mike holmgren is doing or has done. this is about the saints

3. Maybe the only reason the saints got to the playoffs on haz first year is because he was playing with a bunch of DITKA players. Sure there were new HAZ players but as he has brought in more of HAZ players they have not played as well. HMMMMMMMM.

[Edited on 25/8/2003 by FWtex]

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 04:46 PM

I honestly don\'t recall a single post started since the preseason that was about AB. All the AB I have seen has come from someone trying to make a point to cover for another weakness. And BTW, that argument does not hold water. AB is not going to be the problem this year ... at least not by himself.

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Aaron is completing 61.9% of his passes Why not 80%??? or higher???? IF YOU ARE GOING BY STATS HIS PERCENTAGE ALONE HE HAS BEEN OUTPLAYED BY EVERY OPPOSING QB THIS PRESEASON

Rattay is schooling Brooks on ball placement

.

Here\'s just a couple of comments in the last few days about Brooks- And I beleive one of them is yours?

There\'s nothing wrong with some criticizm but the problem is you guys never say anything positive about him.

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 04:54 PM

3. Maybe the only reason the saints got to the playoffs on haz first year is because he was playing with a bunch of DITKA players. Sure there were new HAZ players but as he has brought in more of HAZ players they have not played as well. HMMMMMMMM.

With all due respect-- It is fairly obvious that you have absolutely no faith in the coaching staff. As a matter a fact-you said those very words earlier.

Now is there anything about this team that you like?

[Edited on 25/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saintz08 · 08-25-2003, 05:48 PM

When a former linebacker turned defensive coordinator , turned head coach make a statement like :

We haven\'t stopped the pass in three games. We\'ve got to get coaches and players working on it. I don\'t know why we\'re not doing it.\"

I am not sure he can find the bathroom without a road map .

In fact that statement seems pretty much like he is saying \" I am clueless what is going on and we need to get someone who is qualified in here \".

Haslett has only made his living on defense his whole life until New Orleans and now they rank 27th in the league .

Blind faith is for the blind , step into the light and see the truth .........

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 05:53 PM

saintzo8-

I had some of the same problems with haslett also. The one thing that should make us both feel better about his coaching decisions is the fact that he got rid of Jake Delhome and the fact that he\'s about to get cut by the Panthers confirms how wise Haz is.

Step into the light with me....

FWtex · 08-25-2003, 06:42 PM

I said there has not been a post started since preseason that was about AB. You keep bringing him into these post when he is not the subject.

QUOTE:
\"You can\'t wait for Aaron Brooks to flop. You are completely convinced it\'s gonna happen. You guys have scanned the internet for articles that side with your opinoion and it just adds fuel to the fire.\"

I think you are the one going out looking for negative comments about Brooks. I have said it at least once before and I am saying it again ... you can\'t take one stat and base an opinion off it while you ignore the other stats. If you are going to state stats about a player, give us them all. What about 3rd down effeciency rating? And before you jump on this as Brooks bashing remember you are the one who brought it up. Most of the comments about AB have been facts. If you can\'t handle the facts then stop puting them out here.

On HAZ and this coaching staff ... give me one reason I should have any faith in them. ... and don\'t give me that playoff year crap.

[Edited on 25/8/2003 by FWtex]

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 07:00 PM

I have said it at least once before and I am saying it again ... you can\'t take one stat and base an opinion off it while you ignore the other stats. If you are going to state stats about a player, give us them all. What about 3rd down effeciency rating?

OK...I\'ll play that game. You tell me who you would want at QB and let me evaluate him on the same basis.

And before you jump on this as Brooks bashing remember you are the one who brought it up. Most of the comments about AB have been facts. If you can\'t handle the facts then stop puting them out here.

Your kidding me right? I don\'t have to look for negitive remarks about Brooks. I trip over one any way I turn.

On HAZ and this coaching staff ... give me one reason I should have any faith in them. ... and don\'t give me that playoff year crap

.

If you can\'t deal with facts. Quit asking for em\'. But heres some other reasons.

1. He hasn\'t had a losing record since he\'s been here.
2. Has assembled a very good team since he took over a 3-13 team, that was the laughing stock of the NFL.
3. Just might take the Saints to the Super Bowl this year.

08-25-2003, 02:33 PM	#11
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	The Sky is Falling How would you you react to this version of your post? You come in mighty strong when it comes to matters of opinion. You might be right but so might someone else and while you pay lip service to this concept, your message says otherwise. b] Billy[/b:56e900bf1c] you are writing the defense on this year when you\'ve only seen them play for about 5 quarters and all the regular starters have not been on the field at the same time yet. You really have nothing else to base your Pie in the sky theory on. There is a conspriacy going on here, but it ain\'t from the coaching staff- it\'s from Billy , and here it is: Billy you have already made your mind up about the coaching staff and the QB long before this season ever got here. You\'re convinced that they could get to the playoffs if they were coaching some of the great crap teams, like the 49\'ers in their early years. Billy you are like a bunch of rabid dogs-waiting to attack-at the first sign of disagreement . The hate has you blinded. It has blinded you so bad that preseason games and performances are the standard to be completly ignored. You can\'t wait for Aaron Brooks to be canonized . You are completely convinced it\'s gonna happen. You have scanned the internet for articles that side with your opinoion and it just adds fuel to the fire. But I ain\'t buying what ya selling. I\'ve been watching preseason too long to be fooled. Sure your theory may come true. Anything\'s possible, but I\'ll stick to using my own eyes and mind waiting for the real games to be played before I let you convince me . In the famous words of Jim Mora- \" You don\'t know nothing. You think you do, but you don\'t and you never will\"
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08-25-2003, 02:42 PM	#12
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling For the record- I\'m just playing around with those guys. I\'m worried too. But I am serious when I say that it\'s too early for all the gloom and doom. saints5221- Nice job with the post by the way. Don\'t ever do that again... [Edited on 25/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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08-25-2003, 03:21 PM	#13
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	The Sky is Falling As much as I knock Rick Venturi, the problems that I watch are not attributed to him. Defenders that aren\'t wrapping up on tackles, linemen allowing the jump through, ends losing containment angle to a blocker...... that stuff bothers me because it is position basics. Venturi shouldn\'t have to be telling a defensive lineman how to react to a fold block or to not get reached by the guard. A player should have that beaten into his head since he was twelve. Some individual players are giving inexcusable performances in the most rudimentary of positional skills and that is what scares me. I\'m sure that\'s why Haslett is baffled, because it\'s not a lack of scheming that is causing the problem, but a lack of ability to do the basics. Why add to a players list of responsibilities on a play when he can\'t even get past step one. I really think we have a wealth of skilled players on this defense. I know Haslett has and can create unique and effective schemes, and that Venturi is a good person to vocalize these ideas to players. There are so many can\'s and if\'s, but when players of this caliber are so off-page this early it makes me wonder when they will get it together. I just don\'t want to see the early winable games slip through our fingers and hope that something special is going on in practices right now. Miami will be another test as they have been moving the ball effectively and really spreading defenses out, forcing individual matchups.

08-25-2003, 04:35 PM	#14
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling 1. I honestly don\'t recall a single post started since the preseason that was about AB. All the AB I have seen has come from someone trying to make a point to cover for another weakness. And BTW, that argument does not hold water. AB is not going to be the problem this year ... at least not by himself. 2. I could care less what mike holmgren is doing or has done. this is about the saints 3. Maybe the only reason the saints got to the playoffs on haz first year is because he was playing with a bunch of DITKA players. Sure there were new HAZ players but as he has brought in more of HAZ players they have not played as well. HMMMMMMMM. [Edited on 25/8/2003 by FWtex]
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08-25-2003, 04:46 PM	#15
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling I honestly don\'t recall a single post started since the preseason that was about AB. All the AB I have seen has come from someone trying to make a point to cover for another weakness. And BTW, that argument does not hold water. AB is not going to be the problem this year ... at least not by himself. - Aaron is completing 61.9% of his passes Why not 80%??? or higher???? IF YOU ARE GOING BY STATS HIS PERCENTAGE ALONE HE HAS BEEN OUTPLAYED BY EVERY OPPOSING QB THIS PRESEASON Rattay is schooling Brooks on ball placement . Here\'s just a couple of comments in the last few days about Brooks- And I beleive one of them is yours? There\'s nothing wrong with some criticizm but the problem is you guys never say anything positive about him.
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08-25-2003, 04:54 PM	#16
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling 3. Maybe the only reason the saints got to the playoffs on haz first year is because he was playing with a bunch of DITKA players. Sure there were new HAZ players but as he has brought in more of HAZ players they have not played as well. HMMMMMMMM. With all due respect-- It is fairly obvious that you have absolutely no faith in the coaching staff. As a matter a fact-you said those very words earlier. Now is there anything about this team that you like? [Edited on 25/8/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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08-25-2003, 05:48 PM	#17
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The Sky is Falling When a former linebacker turned defensive coordinator , turned head coach make a statement like : We haven\'t stopped the pass in three games. We\'ve got to get coaches and players working on it. I don\'t know why we\'re not doing it.\" I am not sure he can find the bathroom without a road map . In fact that statement seems pretty much like he is saying \" I am clueless what is going on and we need to get someone who is qualified in here \". Haslett has only made his living on defense his whole life until New Orleans and now they rank 27th in the league . Blind faith is for the blind , step into the light and see the truth .........
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

08-25-2003, 05:53 PM	#18
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling saintzo8- I had some of the same problems with haslett also. The one thing that should make us both feel better about his coaching decisions is the fact that he got rid of Jake Delhome and the fact that he\'s about to get cut by the Panthers confirms how wise Haz is. Step into the light with me....
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08-25-2003, 06:42 PM	#19
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling I said there has not been a post started since preseason that was about AB. You keep bringing him into these post when he is not the subject. QUOTE: \"You can\'t wait for Aaron Brooks to flop. You are completely convinced it\'s gonna happen. You guys have scanned the internet for articles that side with your opinoion and it just adds fuel to the fire.\" I think you are the one going out looking for negative comments about Brooks. I have said it at least once before and I am saying it again ... you can\'t take one stat and base an opinion off it while you ignore the other stats. If you are going to state stats about a player, give us them all. What about 3rd down effeciency rating? And before you jump on this as Brooks bashing remember you are the one who brought it up. Most of the comments about AB have been facts. If you can\'t handle the facts then stop puting them out here. On HAZ and this coaching staff ... give me one reason I should have any faith in them. ... and don\'t give me that playoff year crap. [Edited on 25/8/2003 by FWtex]
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08-25-2003, 07:00 PM	#20
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling I have said it at least once before and I am saying it again ... you can\'t take one stat and base an opinion off it while you ignore the other stats. If you are going to state stats about a player, give us them all. What about 3rd down effeciency rating? OK...I\'ll play that game. You tell me who you would want at QB and let me evaluate him on the same basis. And before you jump on this as Brooks bashing remember you are the one who brought it up. Most of the comments about AB have been facts. If you can\'t handle the facts then stop puting them out here. Your kidding me right? I don\'t have to look for negitive remarks about Brooks. I trip over one any way I turn. On HAZ and this coaching staff ... give me one reason I should have any faith in them. ... and don\'t give me that playoff year crap . If you can\'t deal with facts. Quit asking for em\'. But heres some other reasons. 1. He hasn\'t had a losing record since he\'s been here. 2. Has assembled a very good team since he took over a 3-13 team, that was the laughing stock of the NFL. 3. Just might take the Saints to the Super Bowl this year.
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