The Sky is Falling

saint5221 · 08-25-2003, 08:16 PM

Glad you liked the post Billy I could\'nt resist ,thanks for serving up such a nice one.LOL

FWtex · 08-25-2003, 08:27 PM

YOUR kidding me RIGHT????

Why do you want me to bring up other QB\'s? That is childs play. Fact remains I have still not seen one post since preseason where anyone is saying Brooks will be a problem this year. Is this the only argument you have?

You have said before you are constantly scouring the internet for saints information ... I think you are confusing this board with others or you are having dillusions because the Brooks bashing has been extremely tame on this site lately.

QUOTE:

\"If you can\'t deal with facts. Quit asking for em\'. But heres some other reasons.

1. He hasn\'t had a losing record since he\'s been here.
2. Has assembled a very good team since he took over a 3-13 team, that was the laughing stock of the NFL.
3. Just might take the Saints to the Super Bowl this year.\"

I can handle the facts as long as you give us all the facts. I think you have a problem with facts.

1. He hasn\'t had a losing record since he\'s been here. NO, BUT HIS TEAMS ARE LOOKING WORSE AND WORSE EVERY NOVEMBER/DECEMBER WHEN GAMES COUNT. CHRIS BERMAN WILL REFERR TO HIM AS JIM \"HAZ CHOKED TWICE BEFORE\" HAZLETT THIS YEAR.
2. Has assembled a very good team since he took over a 3-13 team, that was the laughing stock of the NFL. ASSEMBLING A TEAM IS NOT THE SAME AS COACHING A TEAM. MAYBE WE SHOUDL MAKE HIM THE PERSONELL GUY.
3. Just might take the Saints to the Super Bowl this year. KEYWORD HERE IS ... MIGHT. I MIGHT WIN THE LOTTERY, BUY THE TEAM, THEN FIRE HIS AZZ. THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BUT IT MOST PROBABLY WILL NOT.

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 08:35 PM

LOL- You kill me dude.

I see neither one of us is going to budge.

Here\'s something I think we can both agree on-- Regardless of who the coach is we want the Saints to kick ass and take names this year!!

GO SAINTS!!!

WhoDat · 08-25-2003, 09:09 PM

Billy - let me ask you a question - what do you have to base your optimism on? The promises of the coaching staff? Name a single instance ever when a coaching staff said in the preseason - \"we\'re not going to be very good.\"

My \"doom and gloom\" as you call it is based on much more solid ground than your optimism. Wanna hear it AGAIN?

We have one of, if not the, worst D coordinator in football. The guy who was our backup last year at MLB, our biggest area of need on D, is now our starter. Do you believe that Darren Smith got THAT much better this preseason - or is it simply that our talent level dropped off that much when Clemons left?

Allen and Hodge have shown me nothing. Not last year IN REGULAR SEASON PLAY, and not this year in preseason. Not one time did I sit up and say, wow, nice play.

Our corners are terrible. What do I base that on? LOOK AT THE STATS! Yeah it\'s preseason - find me stats that shown that ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has faired worse against the pass then us this preseason. If we\'re not that bad, then why do the stats say that we are? It\'s preseason so our guys aren\'t trying? That\'s a bigger problem then. I played corner about a million years ago at a much lower level, and you know what it was about then - manning up. You think it\'s any different now? The \"vanilla\" defensive scheme you keep talking about includes MAN-ON-MAN coverage in the secondary. What does that tell you?

Go ahead, be optimistic. That\'s great. But you are the one not dealing with reality, not me.

saintz08 · 08-25-2003, 09:13 PM

This one is too good too pass up .

Let me be the first to say that Brooks inability too complete passes with any touch or the deep balls with any accuracy is going to be a problem this year .

Safeties are gonna cheat up all year long and dare brooks too burn them deep , Brooks will take a couple token shots but most will fail miserably .The poor mans Michael Vick is going to find it harder to complete inside routes because opposing defensive coordinators now know his tendenacys .

You base Hasletts wisdom on releasing Delhomme , a quarterback who understood the Saints system well enough to make other teams think he could be their starter and signed another quarterback to a 1 year deal who does not know the system and has so far struggled in it .

If Brooks goes out in game 1 , Haslett is gonna look like a real brain surgeon .........

Of course that does kind of follow that train of thinking like \" We can add 6 new starters on defense and they will be ready by game 1 \" . That seems to be working real well so far ..........

WhoDat · 08-25-2003, 09:20 PM

But 08, it\'s preseason!! Don\'t you know that Brooks magically starts playing better when the season starts? Obviously he won\'t throw the ball to receivers\' feet when the season starts - that only happens in preseason. Haven\'t you heard that we got all these new starters on defense?! Of course they\'re going to be better! Haslett is a defense-minded coach, duh! Look at how much better the D has gotten every year since he got here. I think you\'re basing all of your thoughts on one play! A preseason play at that!!!!!

... I shouldn\'t have to say this, but knowing the brain surgeons on this board, yes, that was sarcasm.

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 09:30 PM

WhoDat-

Would it be fair to say that Brooks will throw 27-TD\'s this year and have 3,500 plus yards?

Would it be fair to say that we will have the #! scoring offense in the NFC?

Would it be fair to say that we will have the #! special teams unit in the NFL?

Would it be fair to say Duece has a chance to lead the NFL in rushing?

Would it be fair to say that you could be just as wrong as you could be right about the defense?

AND?????????????

WhoDat · 08-25-2003, 09:51 PM

Sure you COULD say any of those things Billy, but I COULD slip and fall walking down the street and land on your mom. Hey it COULD happen.

But let\'s evaluate what you said, and think about it realistically.

1. Yes, he SHOULD do that.

2. Won\'t happen. We lack the ability to change our gameplan when our opponents do. Someone will outscore us. In fact, we may not be the highest scoring team in our division.

3. Yes, and they should be.

4. Nope, no chance. Ricky probably will lead the league again. Portis will outrun Deuce, Faulk probably will, Tomlinson, Holmes - hell, the guy we face in week one very may outrun Deuce.

5. No, it\'s not fair to say that. This defense has to move up 12 spots to be average. They have to move down 5 spots to be worst in the league. How much you want to bet that they are a below average defense this season?

Now, how about this Billy - I\'ll use your logic:

Is it FAIR to say that the defense will be 27th in the league this season?

Is it FAIR to say the defense will get worse (as they have every previous season since Haslett got here)?

Is it FAIR to say that they will choke in December?

Is it FAIR to say that we won\'t make the playoffs?

Or how about this...

Is it FAIR to say that Brooks will NOT be in the top 20 in COMPLETION PERCENTAGE or EFFICIENCY RATING?

Is it FAIR to say Deuce will get hurt?

Is it FAIR to say Donte will hurt his Hammy?

Is it FAIR to say that our left tackle will let us down one way or another?

Is it FAIR to say that Jim Haslett will continue to answer every question about why his team get their sh-t together with, \"I just don\'t understand it\"?

Want more, there\'s plenty where that came from.

I do find it interesting that you completely shifted the focus though. You didn\'t give reasons to be optimistic, you just shifted the focus from all of the many reasons I gave to be pessimistic. You didn\'t make one statement in that post. C\'mon Billy, you can do it. I\'ll start for you, you just finish. I am optimistic b/c...

FWtex · 08-25-2003, 10:11 PM

Billy I agree we both(and everyone else) just want the saints to kick a_s. I agree we will not agree on how or when the saints will get to that. Our handicap is still on the sideline and up in the box. If there was a competent asst coach on this team I would predict a mid season firing.

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-25-2003, 10:22 PM

I am optimistic because:

1. Aaron Brooks threw for 27 TD\'s last year and over 3,500 yds.

2. We led the NFC in scoring last year and with a years experience in the system for some players we should be even better.

3.We have Michael Lewis returning kick-offs and punt and he can take it 2 da house at any time.

4. Duece led the NFC with 1,300 yds in is first year as a starter and he was injured in 4 of those games. If he stays healty there is a very realistic chance he will lead the NFL this year.

5. There\'s no reason to for me to panic about the defense yet.

08-25-2003, 08:16 PM	#21
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	The Sky is Falling Glad you liked the post Billy I could\'nt resist ,thanks for serving up such a nice one.LOL
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08-25-2003, 08:27 PM	#22
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling YOUR kidding me RIGHT???? Why do you want me to bring up other QB\'s? That is childs play. Fact remains I have still not seen one post since preseason where anyone is saying Brooks will be a problem this year. Is this the only argument you have? You have said before you are constantly scouring the internet for saints information ... I think you are confusing this board with others or you are having dillusions because the Brooks bashing has been extremely tame on this site lately. QUOTE: \"If you can\'t deal with facts. Quit asking for em\'. But heres some other reasons. 1. He hasn\'t had a losing record since he\'s been here. 2. Has assembled a very good team since he took over a 3-13 team, that was the laughing stock of the NFL. 3. Just might take the Saints to the Super Bowl this year.\" I can handle the facts as long as you give us all the facts. I think you have a problem with facts. 1. He hasn\'t had a losing record since he\'s been here. NO, BUT HIS TEAMS ARE LOOKING WORSE AND WORSE EVERY NOVEMBER/DECEMBER WHEN GAMES COUNT. CHRIS BERMAN WILL REFERR TO HIM AS JIM \"HAZ CHOKED TWICE BEFORE\" HAZLETT THIS YEAR. 2. Has assembled a very good team since he took over a 3-13 team, that was the laughing stock of the NFL. ASSEMBLING A TEAM IS NOT THE SAME AS COACHING A TEAM. MAYBE WE SHOUDL MAKE HIM THE PERSONELL GUY. 3. Just might take the Saints to the Super Bowl this year. KEYWORD HERE IS ... MIGHT. I MIGHT WIN THE LOTTERY, BUY THE TEAM, THEN FIRE HIS AZZ. THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BUT IT MOST PROBABLY WILL NOT.
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08-25-2003, 08:35 PM	#23
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling LOL- You kill me dude. I see neither one of us is going to budge. Here\'s something I think we can both agree on-- Regardless of who the coach is we want the Saints to kick ass and take names this year!! GO SAINTS!!!
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08-25-2003, 09:09 PM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	The Sky is Falling Billy - let me ask you a question - what do you have to base your optimism on? The promises of the coaching staff? Name a single instance ever when a coaching staff said in the preseason - \"we\'re not going to be very good.\" My \"doom and gloom\" as you call it is based on much more solid ground than your optimism. Wanna hear it AGAIN? We have one of, if not the, worst D coordinator in football. The guy who was our backup last year at MLB, our biggest area of need on D, is now our starter. Do you believe that Darren Smith got THAT much better this preseason - or is it simply that our talent level dropped off that much when Clemons left? Allen and Hodge have shown me nothing. Not last year IN REGULAR SEASON PLAY, and not this year in preseason. Not one time did I sit up and say, wow, nice play. Our corners are terrible. What do I base that on? LOOK AT THE STATS! Yeah it\'s preseason - find me stats that shown that ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has faired worse against the pass then us this preseason. If we\'re not that bad, then why do the stats say that we are? It\'s preseason so our guys aren\'t trying? That\'s a bigger problem then. I played corner about a million years ago at a much lower level, and you know what it was about then - manning up. You think it\'s any different now? The \"vanilla\" defensive scheme you keep talking about includes MAN-ON-MAN coverage in the secondary. What does that tell you? Go ahead, be optimistic. That\'s great. But you are the one not dealing with reality, not me.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

08-25-2003, 09:13 PM	#25
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The Sky is Falling This one is too good too pass up . Let me be the first to say that Brooks inability too complete passes with any touch or the deep balls with any accuracy is going to be a problem this year . Safeties are gonna cheat up all year long and dare brooks too burn them deep , Brooks will take a couple token shots but most will fail miserably .The poor mans Michael Vick is going to find it harder to complete inside routes because opposing defensive coordinators now know his tendenacys . You base Hasletts wisdom on releasing Delhomme , a quarterback who understood the Saints system well enough to make other teams think he could be their starter and signed another quarterback to a 1 year deal who does not know the system and has so far struggled in it . If Brooks goes out in game 1 , Haslett is gonna look like a real brain surgeon ......... Of course that does kind of follow that train of thinking like \" We can add 6 new starters on defense and they will be ready by game 1 \" . That seems to be working real well so far ..........
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

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08-25-2003, 09:20 PM	#26
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	The Sky is Falling But 08, it\'s preseason!! Don\'t you know that Brooks magically starts playing better when the season starts? Obviously he won\'t throw the ball to receivers\' feet when the season starts - that only happens in preseason. Haven\'t you heard that we got all these new starters on defense?! Of course they\'re going to be better! Haslett is a defense-minded coach, duh! Look at how much better the D has gotten every year since he got here. I think you\'re basing all of your thoughts on one play! A preseason play at that!!!!! ... I shouldn\'t have to say this, but knowing the brain surgeons on this board, yes, that was sarcasm.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

08-25-2003, 09:30 PM	#27
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling WhoDat- Would it be fair to say that Brooks will throw 27-TD\'s this year and have 3,500 plus yards? Would it be fair to say that we will have the #! scoring offense in the NFC? Would it be fair to say that we will have the #! special teams unit in the NFL? Would it be fair to say Duece has a chance to lead the NFL in rushing? Would it be fair to say that you could be just as wrong as you could be right about the defense? AND?????????????
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08-25-2003, 09:51 PM	#28
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	The Sky is Falling Sure you COULD say any of those things Billy, but I COULD slip and fall walking down the street and land on your mom. Hey it COULD happen. But let\'s evaluate what you said, and think about it realistically. 1. Yes, he SHOULD do that. 2. Won\'t happen. We lack the ability to change our gameplan when our opponents do. Someone will outscore us. In fact, we may not be the highest scoring team in our division. 3. Yes, and they should be. 4. Nope, no chance. Ricky probably will lead the league again. Portis will outrun Deuce, Faulk probably will, Tomlinson, Holmes - hell, the guy we face in week one very may outrun Deuce. 5. No, it\'s not fair to say that. This defense has to move up 12 spots to be average. They have to move down 5 spots to be worst in the league. How much you want to bet that they are a below average defense this season? Now, how about this Billy - I\'ll use your logic: Is it FAIR to say that the defense will be 27th in the league this season? Is it FAIR to say the defense will get worse (as they have every previous season since Haslett got here)? Is it FAIR to say that they will choke in December? Is it FAIR to say that we won\'t make the playoffs? Or how about this... Is it FAIR to say that Brooks will NOT be in the top 20 in COMPLETION PERCENTAGE or EFFICIENCY RATING? Is it FAIR to say Deuce will get hurt? Is it FAIR to say Donte will hurt his Hammy? Is it FAIR to say that our left tackle will let us down one way or another? Is it FAIR to say that Jim Haslett will continue to answer every question about why his team get their sh-t together with, \"I just don\'t understand it\"? Want more, there\'s plenty where that came from. I do find it interesting that you completely shifted the focus though. You didn\'t give reasons to be optimistic, you just shifted the focus from all of the many reasons I gave to be pessimistic. You didn\'t make one statement in that post. C\'mon Billy, you can do it. I\'ll start for you, you just finish. I am optimistic b/c...
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

08-25-2003, 10:11 PM	#29
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling Billy I agree we both(and everyone else) just want the saints to kick a_s. I agree we will not agree on how or when the saints will get to that. Our handicap is still on the sideline and up in the box. If there was a competent asst coach on this team I would predict a mid season firing.
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08-25-2003, 10:22 PM	#30
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling I am optimistic because: 1. Aaron Brooks threw for 27 TD\'s last year and over 3,500 yds. 2. We led the NFC in scoring last year and with a years experience in the system for some players we should be even better. 3.We have Michael Lewis returning kick-offs and punt and he can take it 2 da house at any time. 4. Duece led the NFC with 1,300 yds in is first year as a starter and he was injured in 4 of those games. If he stays healty there is a very realistic chance he will lead the NFL this year. 5. There\'s no reason to for me to panic about the defense yet.
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