The Sky is Falling

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-26-2003, 02:01 PM

Now see, that\'s exactly what I\'m talking about. Just look at FWtex last post. He is absolutely sure that the coaching staff is completely at fault. No where in his post does he suggest that there could be other reasons that this team hasn\'t lived up to expectations.

In his mind there are no reasons that the coach could give that would satisfy him. They give reasons and he calls them excuses. Sure they blow smoke, but no more than any other teams coaches.

FWtex-Just consider what would happen if Haz went screaming to the media and the fans that the Saints suck and he has made mistakes.

You keep making reference to them not being able to adjust and make changes in a game. You sound like you have some coaching experience? What would you have adjusted? Give me some specifics!! What would be your game plan be against Seattle? If you gonna Talk the Talk- Walk the Walk.

The coaches deserve some critcizm but you\'re way outta line with the bashing. Sure they have made mistakes but they have done a pretty solid job with this team.

Is there anything positive you can say about this coaching staff. You see when every post you make about the coaching staff is negetive- you start sounding like a hater. If you would mix in some good with the bad you would sound much more crediable.

saintz08 · 08-26-2003, 03:01 PM

Is there anything positive you can say about this coaching staff.

Great taste in fashionable attire .

There is one good thing . :P

FWtex · 08-26-2003, 03:15 PM

Yep, I tell it like it is so I must be a hater. Billy, I don\'t have the resources available to me to make anywhere near a game plan.

Billy you said yourself that Deuce was injured the second half of last year, right? So tell me, why the heck would you give Deuce the ball on 1st and 2nd down so much? They did not do this just once or twice but for most of the last 5-6 games. Why is it they could not run or stop a screen pass? This goes way back to pop days and these coaches can\'t figure it out. Deuce is the perfect weapon to utilize a screen pass with because once he is in the open field he is a threaght to go the distance every time. But no,, this coaching staff couldn;t coach it.

The wide receiver screen to donte worked well the first few games, but then they kept running it and running it over and over out of the exact same freakin formation the whole season. How much did that play work after the 4-5 game and how many times did they continue to run it?

The saints ran the same 20 or so plays on offense 85% of the season. That is a big reason they were losing down the strectch.

On defense, this was such a joke the second half of the season. Venturi could not predict the offense coming onto the feild much less a game plan. It got to the point where venturi was game planning for what the opposition was doing over the season but what he failed to notice is that the opposition changed there offensive game plan to take advantage of the saints and venturi\'s weakness. If the saints defense would have just started practicing to correct their own deficiencies and not the opposing teams offense they would have been improved. The saints were getting no pass rush last year and lacked speed. did they try anything different. NO! have all 7 guys in the box stand up and play like linebackers. For one play you would have confused the crap out of the offense, which is more than they did staying with the same o same o.

Quote:
\"FWtex-Just consider what would happen if Haz went screaming to the media and the fans that the Saints suck and he has made mistakes. \"

What would happen??? He would not have been saying anything we did not already know! By trying to cover it up he has only made himself look worse and have that much less credibility with the media, the fans , and the players. Haz would not have been the first coach n history to say he screwed up. It takes a bigger man to step up and take the blame then it does to pawn the blame off on others.

I am not hard on the coaching but it only looks like it to you becuase you are to much of a softee. If something doesn\'t work you don\'t keep going back to it.

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-26-2003, 04:30 PM

Jim Haslett
Head Coach

Coach Jim Haslett, who has led the club to 26 regular-season victories and the first playoff win in franchise history since being hired in early 2000, enters his fourth season as Head Coach of the New Orleans Saints. With the foundation of the team taking shape after three years of retooling the roster, Haslett enters 2003 already ranked second in winning percentage (.541) among all 13 coaches in team record books.

Observers predicted a lengthy rebuilding project when Haslett arrived, but he has ignored that timetable and the expectations surrounding the Saints have continued to grow with his demanding standards. Haslett just keeps pushing forward, including signing a multi-year extension last August in training camp which keeps the strong-willed coach under contract with New Orleans through 2006, with options to extend.

Though his focus remains firmly on the future, the Saints\' successes over his first three seasons cannot be ignored. Despite having 10 new starters in 2002 the Saints posted a 9-7 record, including a pair of memorable victories over the Super Bowl XXXVII-Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers. New Orleans led the NFC with a team-record 432 points in a banner year for the offense, while the special teams units also sparkled as they emerged as one of the NFLs most opportunistic units.

Haslett\'s keen attention to detail and commitment to preparation are best reflected in the way New Orleans has performed on the road. The Saints are a stellar 16-8 in enemy stadiums since Haslett\'s arrival, despite the club having dropped the previous 14 away games before he was hired.

Haslett led New Orleans to the NFC West title and a playoff victory in 2000. The team put an exclamation point on an eventful season with a 31-28 triumph over the St. Louis Rams on Dec. 30, 2000 for the first playoff win in New Orleans. With that victory, Haslett had led the Saints to greater heights in his first season than the previous 12 head coaches in franchise history. Following that historic effort, Haslett was a unanimous selection for NFL Coach of the Year.

A 19-year veteran of the NFL as a player and coach, Haslett was hired by New Orleans on Feb. 3, 2000. With the reputation as a player\'s coach who accepted little nonsense, Haslett\'s coaching star had been on the rise in league circles for years. He spent 1997-99 as the defensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers, where his aggressive blitzing schemes helped create one of the NFL\'s most dominant units. He tutored a defense that led Pittsburgh to the AFC Championship in 1997.

This is Haslett\'s second tour of duty in New Orleans. He spent two years with the Saints, first as the linebackers coach in 1995 followed by a one-year stint as the defensive coordinator under Mora in 1996. In his first season as coordinator, New Orleans improved from 22nd to 13th in the NFL in defense. Every linebacker\'s performance in 1995 improved over the year before under Haslett\'s guidance.

I edited nothing, but again,Please give the writer credit for his work.

[Edited on 26/8/2003 by JOESAM2002]

rusta · 08-26-2003, 04:31 PM

i don\'t really understand what \'haz is fake\' means

do you mean he\'s an android or a manequin or something? fake? i don\'t see how the staff has tried to hide anything, because haz doesn\'t hold a press conference after every snap he\'s hiding something? maybe he doesn\'t like public speaking

the only thing you can blame this coaching staff for is lack of motivation, how can you blame the coaches for not being able to run a screen pass? the coaches aren\'t on the field, i could take a bunch of high school kids out and teach them exactly how to run a screen but they probably wouldn\'t be able to do it very well

and now tex doesn\'t even want us to prepare for our next opponent, he just wants us to get \'better\', hell we don\'t need coaches or scouts for that just some tackling dummies

leave the coaches alone, there is no conspiracy, maybe our defensive players just suck

lumm0x · 08-26-2003, 04:58 PM

Nice list of credentials for Haslett. I think almost everyone will agree that he has a nice looking resume.
For the record, I was disappointed when he was named our coach. There were a couple of candidates I was more supportive of, and in hindsight I\'m glad I was wrong. Haslett has a commendable record as our head coach, but I think the problem people have with him is that they believe (myself included) he has hit a plateau as a coach. There are more hurdles at the end than at the beginning. He has worked under many good coaches, both as a player and a coordinator and has learned alot of what it takes to crawl out of the cellar and be a contender. He is argueably the best coach in Saints history because of his accomplishments here. I liked Mora, but I will give Haslett his award on this as well.
Can he take us to the next level we need to get to? Does he have that killer instinct that the championship caliber coaches have? Bill Cowher is in my opinion a great coach, but he has the same problem, he can\'t get over the late hurdles. Same can be said for Dennis Green, Marty Schottenheimer, etc. All very successful coaches that haven\'t finished the song.
Haslett is signed through 2006, and unless we regress I am all for him being the head coach. I think many of his staff choices have been sound, except letting Zook walk away. He has assembled his team for the second year in a row and I think fans will have a hard time tolerating if he needs to get his team again next year. He needs to get us back into the playoffs at the least to retain the respect of the fans.
If you\'re not moving forward you\'re moving backwards. You\'ve got to agree that we have plateau\'d and need to climb the next hill, and it can\'t be said we don\'t have the talent to do it.

FWtex · 08-26-2003, 08:54 PM

Billy, that is an impressive write up on HAZ. I bet you pulled that off the saints official website, right? That would not be biased would it?

Rusta, whew man O man, try reading all this again when you sober up. WARNING: its going to hurt.

Finally, I have read this several times in posts lately ------ what is this CONSPIRACY ya\'ll keep bringing up? Are those who are using the word just confused on its meaning?

BillyCarpenter1 · 08-26-2003, 09:34 PM

Billy, that is an impressive write up on HAZ. I bet you pulled that off the saints official website, right?

FWtex~ Not only is it impressive-but here\'s the kicker -IT IS TRUE-

I know it\'s hard to argue with facts. How ya think he won that NFL coach of the year award? He probably paid somebody off, huh?

I am starting to agree with you that he can\'t change the offensive game play though. But considering the Saints scored 432-points to lead the NFC- I would say if it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it?!?!

I bet you didn\'t know when the genius minded Haz was the defensive coordintor that he improved the defense from 22nd to 13th, did ya? Fluke you say? Maybe, but it was the dominating defense that Haz coached in Pittsburg that was most responsible for getting them to the AFC championship. Another fluke you say?

The man had a huge job on his hands when he took over the Saints. He concentrated on the offensive side of the ball first. That\'s why the defense hasn\'t been dominate yet. But it\'s coming and it might be this year. The man knows what he\'s doing.

He\'s made some mistakes but who hasn\'t? He might not be able to do it, but at least give the man as much time as Jimmy Johnson had with the Cowboys. This is his 4th year as coach. That\'s how long it took Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys.

BlackandBlue · 08-26-2003, 09:39 PM

You\'re a fag, WhoDat :P

FWtex · 08-26-2003, 10:10 PM

So I guess you did pull that off the saints website huh? LOL

I know about the Pitt stats but how do I or you know that was not cower contolling the defense? Why can\'t he do it with the saints?

Jimmy Johnson did have 4 years but in year 2 and 3 you could see the team getting better and better. Jimmy did not have to rebuild the team year after year. Jimmy did not make excuses. not even when his team was 1-15. Jimmy was not satified with small victories. What I would give to have Jimmy Johnson coaching this team!

08-26-2003, 02:01 PM	#41
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling Now see, that\'s exactly what I\'m talking about. Just look at FWtex last post. He is absolutely sure that the coaching staff is completely at fault. No where in his post does he suggest that there could be other reasons that this team hasn\'t lived up to expectations. In his mind there are no reasons that the coach could give that would satisfy him. They give reasons and he calls them excuses. Sure they blow smoke, but no more than any other teams coaches. FWtex-Just consider what would happen if Haz went screaming to the media and the fans that the Saints suck and he has made mistakes. You keep making reference to them not being able to adjust and make changes in a game. You sound like you have some coaching experience? What would you have adjusted? Give me some specifics!! What would be your game plan be against Seattle? If you gonna Talk the Talk- Walk the Walk. The coaches deserve some critcizm but you\'re way outta line with the bashing. Sure they have made mistakes but they have done a pretty solid job with this team. Is there anything positive you can say about this coaching staff. You see when every post you make about the coaching staff is negetive- you start sounding like a hater. If you would mix in some good with the bad you would sound much more crediable.
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08-26-2003, 03:01 PM	#42
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	The Sky is Falling Is there anything positive you can say about this coaching staff. Great taste in fashionable attire . There is one good thing . :P
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08-26-2003, 03:15 PM	#43
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling Yep, I tell it like it is so I must be a hater. Billy, I don\'t have the resources available to me to make anywhere near a game plan. Billy you said yourself that Deuce was injured the second half of last year, right? So tell me, why the heck would you give Deuce the ball on 1st and 2nd down so much? They did not do this just once or twice but for most of the last 5-6 games. Why is it they could not run or stop a screen pass? This goes way back to pop days and these coaches can\'t figure it out. Deuce is the perfect weapon to utilize a screen pass with because once he is in the open field he is a threaght to go the distance every time. But no,, this coaching staff couldn;t coach it. The wide receiver screen to donte worked well the first few games, but then they kept running it and running it over and over out of the exact same freakin formation the whole season. How much did that play work after the 4-5 game and how many times did they continue to run it? The saints ran the same 20 or so plays on offense 85% of the season. That is a big reason they were losing down the strectch. On defense, this was such a joke the second half of the season. Venturi could not predict the offense coming onto the feild much less a game plan. It got to the point where venturi was game planning for what the opposition was doing over the season but what he failed to notice is that the opposition changed there offensive game plan to take advantage of the saints and venturi\'s weakness. If the saints defense would have just started practicing to correct their own deficiencies and not the opposing teams offense they would have been improved. The saints were getting no pass rush last year and lacked speed. did they try anything different. NO! have all 7 guys in the box stand up and play like linebackers. For one play you would have confused the crap out of the offense, which is more than they did staying with the same o same o. Quote: \"FWtex-Just consider what would happen if Haz went screaming to the media and the fans that the Saints suck and he has made mistakes. \" What would happen??? He would not have been saying anything we did not already know! By trying to cover it up he has only made himself look worse and have that much less credibility with the media, the fans , and the players. Haz would not have been the first coach n history to say he screwed up. It takes a bigger man to step up and take the blame then it does to pawn the blame off on others. I am not hard on the coaching but it only looks like it to you becuase you are to much of a softee. If something doesn\'t work you don\'t keep going back to it.
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08-26-2003, 04:30 PM	#44
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling Jim Haslett Head Coach Coach Jim Haslett, who has led the club to 26 regular-season victories and the first playoff win in franchise history since being hired in early 2000, enters his fourth season as Head Coach of the New Orleans Saints. With the foundation of the team taking shape after three years of retooling the roster, Haslett enters 2003 already ranked second in winning percentage (.541) among all 13 coaches in team record books. Observers predicted a lengthy rebuilding project when Haslett arrived, but he has ignored that timetable and the expectations surrounding the Saints have continued to grow with his demanding standards. Haslett just keeps pushing forward, including signing a multi-year extension last August in training camp which keeps the strong-willed coach under contract with New Orleans through 2006, with options to extend. Though his focus remains firmly on the future, the Saints\' successes over his first three seasons cannot be ignored. Despite having 10 new starters in 2002 the Saints posted a 9-7 record, including a pair of memorable victories over the Super Bowl XXXVII-Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers. New Orleans led the NFC with a team-record 432 points in a banner year for the offense, while the special teams units also sparkled as they emerged as one of the NFLs most opportunistic units. Haslett\'s keen attention to detail and commitment to preparation are best reflected in the way New Orleans has performed on the road. The Saints are a stellar 16-8 in enemy stadiums since Haslett\'s arrival, despite the club having dropped the previous 14 away games before he was hired. Haslett led New Orleans to the NFC West title and a playoff victory in 2000. The team put an exclamation point on an eventful season with a 31-28 triumph over the St. Louis Rams on Dec. 30, 2000 for the first playoff win in New Orleans. With that victory, Haslett had led the Saints to greater heights in his first season than the previous 12 head coaches in franchise history. Following that historic effort, Haslett was a unanimous selection for NFL Coach of the Year. A 19-year veteran of the NFL as a player and coach, Haslett was hired by New Orleans on Feb. 3, 2000. With the reputation as a player\'s coach who accepted little nonsense, Haslett\'s coaching star had been on the rise in league circles for years. He spent 1997-99 as the defensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers, where his aggressive blitzing schemes helped create one of the NFL\'s most dominant units. He tutored a defense that led Pittsburgh to the AFC Championship in 1997. This is Haslett\'s second tour of duty in New Orleans. He spent two years with the Saints, first as the linebackers coach in 1995 followed by a one-year stint as the defensive coordinator under Mora in 1996. In his first season as coordinator, New Orleans improved from 22nd to 13th in the NFL in defense. Every linebacker\'s performance in 1995 improved over the year before under Haslett\'s guidance. I edited nothing, but again,Please give the writer credit for his work. [Edited on 26/8/2003 by JOESAM2002]
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08-26-2003, 04:31 PM	#45
rusta 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 361	The Sky is Falling i don\'t really understand what \'haz is fake\' means do you mean he\'s an android or a manequin or something? fake? i don\'t see how the staff has tried to hide anything, because haz doesn\'t hold a press conference after every snap he\'s hiding something? maybe he doesn\'t like public speaking the only thing you can blame this coaching staff for is lack of motivation, how can you blame the coaches for not being able to run a screen pass? the coaches aren\'t on the field, i could take a bunch of high school kids out and teach them exactly how to run a screen but they probably wouldn\'t be able to do it very well and now tex doesn\'t even want us to prepare for our next opponent, he just wants us to get \'better\', hell we don\'t need coaches or scouts for that just some tackling dummies leave the coaches alone, there is no conspiracy, maybe our defensive players just suck
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08-26-2003, 04:58 PM	#46
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	The Sky is Falling Nice list of credentials for Haslett. I think almost everyone will agree that he has a nice looking resume. For the record, I was disappointed when he was named our coach. There were a couple of candidates I was more supportive of, and in hindsight I\'m glad I was wrong. Haslett has a commendable record as our head coach, but I think the problem people have with him is that they believe (myself included) he has hit a plateau as a coach. There are more hurdles at the end than at the beginning. He has worked under many good coaches, both as a player and a coordinator and has learned alot of what it takes to crawl out of the cellar and be a contender. He is argueably the best coach in Saints history because of his accomplishments here. I liked Mora, but I will give Haslett his award on this as well. Can he take us to the next level we need to get to? Does he have that killer instinct that the championship caliber coaches have? Bill Cowher is in my opinion a great coach, but he has the same problem, he can\'t get over the late hurdles. Same can be said for Dennis Green, Marty Schottenheimer, etc. All very successful coaches that haven\'t finished the song. Haslett is signed through 2006, and unless we regress I am all for him being the head coach. I think many of his staff choices have been sound, except letting Zook walk away. He has assembled his team for the second year in a row and I think fans will have a hard time tolerating if he needs to get his team again next year. He needs to get us back into the playoffs at the least to retain the respect of the fans. If you\'re not moving forward you\'re moving backwards. You\'ve got to agree that we have plateau\'d and need to climb the next hill, and it can\'t be said we don\'t have the talent to do it.

08-26-2003, 08:54 PM	#47
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling Billy, that is an impressive write up on HAZ. I bet you pulled that off the saints official website, right? That would not be biased would it? Rusta, whew man O man, try reading all this again when you sober up. WARNING: its going to hurt. Finally, I have read this several times in posts lately ------ what is this CONSPIRACY ya\'ll keep bringing up? Are those who are using the word just confused on its meaning?
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08-26-2003, 09:34 PM	#48
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	The Sky is Falling Billy, that is an impressive write up on HAZ. I bet you pulled that off the saints official website, right? FWtex~ Not only is it impressive-but here\'s the kicker -IT IS TRUE- I know it\'s hard to argue with facts. How ya think he won that NFL coach of the year award? He probably paid somebody off, huh? I am starting to agree with you that he can\'t change the offensive game play though. But considering the Saints scored 432-points to lead the NFC- I would say if it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it?!?! I bet you didn\'t know when the genius minded Haz was the defensive coordintor that he improved the defense from 22nd to 13th, did ya? Fluke you say? Maybe, but it was the dominating defense that Haz coached in Pittsburg that was most responsible for getting them to the AFC championship. Another fluke you say? The man had a huge job on his hands when he took over the Saints. He concentrated on the offensive side of the ball first. That\'s why the defense hasn\'t been dominate yet. But it\'s coming and it might be this year. The man knows what he\'s doing. He\'s made some mistakes but who hasn\'t? He might not be able to do it, but at least give the man as much time as Jimmy Johnson had with the Cowboys. This is his 4th year as coach. That\'s how long it took Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys.
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08-26-2003, 09:39 PM	#49
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	The Sky is Falling You\'re a fag, WhoDat :P

08-26-2003, 10:10 PM	#50
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	The Sky is Falling So I guess you did pull that off the saints website huh? LOL I know about the Pitt stats but how do I or you know that was not cower contolling the defense? Why can\'t he do it with the saints? Jimmy Johnson did have 4 years but in year 2 and 3 you could see the team getting better and better. Jimmy did not have to rebuild the team year after year. Jimmy did not make excuses. not even when his team was 1-15. Jimmy was not satified with small victories. What I would give to have Jimmy Johnson coaching this team!
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