CantonLegend

cutting carney could've gave us more options at LB, DT, S, and OL

it is worthless for him to be on this team right now......we kept him for his accuracy but now he isnt even accurate......every time he even kicks an extra point it makes me nervous and thats not even mentioning the field goals that he has missed this season

hartley has never missed a field goal for us and there is no reason to expect him to

CantonLegend

trying to argue this is weird because its true.....kickers only have one job....but they get far less opportunities to do that one job

if drew makes a mistake, he gets 20 to 30 more chances to make up for it.......kickers may only get 1 shot at it

because of that, i think kicking is one of the most difficult jobs in the NFL.....you are expected to do your 1 job and if you miss once, you are a failure.....how many other positions in ANY sport only get 1 opportunity to do their job correctly?.......off the top of my head, i cant think of any

i think part of the criticism of kickers is completely justified.....but on the other hand, how much of it is unwarranted?

kickers rarely get credit for being able to do their job, but always get ripped for not being able to do their job

"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

woody

i say start hartley the next couple of games and see where he's at. they should be winnable games regardless.

Saint_LB

CB playing man/man?

D_it_up

The head coaching position for the Oakland Raiders?

ArmySaintFan

Yep time to say bye bye to carney and give the kid a shot...he showed me more kicking last year than carney has this year and keep in mind hartley hasnt' missed a regular season FG so I think what he done last year at least earns him a chance