Carney MUST Go

TXGSP · 11-16-2009, 01:27 PM

Two kickers... really 3

Carney - Field Goals & PATs
Hartley - has he kicked in the Reagular Season
Morestead - KO & Punter

Not sure who actually handled the KO's in yesterdays game but some of them were really short...

Can Morestead handle the FGs & PATs...would free up 2 roster spots and one ACTIVE

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 01:42 PM

When we didn't go for that last field goal and then Morestead punted that ball through the back of the end zone I thought I was gonna throw a damn brick through the TV.

arsaint · 11-16-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

When we didn't go for that last field goal and then Morestead punted that ball through the back of the end zone I thought I was gonna throw a damn brick through the TV.

+1

We gained a lousy 15 yards of field position on that. I would have rather have gone for it on 4th down and missed...

RealDeal37 · 11-17-2009, 08:01 AM

This is in response to the comment's so many people are making about the call to go for it on 4th & 2 from the 28... Yes, i know majority would had punted, but u have 2 understand were he was coming from when he made that decission... Look, the Pat's defense could NOT stop manning on the last 3 drives, they ran up & down the field with ease. So with 2 min's laeft, he decided to go for it. NO, they did'nt get it, but i still believe it was not a bad call at all... Defense could NOT stop them, they were extremely tired & thought even if Indy did score, that they possibly get the ball back with a lil bit of time left to get down for a field goal. Unfortunatly it did'nt workout for them, but i do respect him.
So, like im say'n, nobody stop's to think about it, it was NOT a BAD play call at all. Now, im gonna say this & i DON'T care wut anyone thinks, but i know one thing is for sure & I know this for a fact..............................
( Had The Pat's gotten that 1st down, EVERYONE would had said how
GENNIUSS he is & just how awesome of a play call it was )
LOL, I know that for a damn fact & so does everyone else in the world...
So thats my take on it, bottom line!!!
Anyway's, lat's just get ready for TB & get back on track with our OFFENSE, deffinetly our TURNOVER'S & most important of all our HEALTH!!!
(Us fan's are very proud of yall & want yall to keep it going)
~~GEAUX SAINT'S~~

saintsfan1976 · 11-16-2009, 01:52 PM

Wait a second. Hasn't it been necessary to have an extra place kicker due to Hartley's suspension and injury? Do you really think we should have cut Carney (pro bowl kicker) when Hartley returned with exactly ZERO game action this season?

We need the roster spot now in light of injuries, but I'm glad we had Carney. And if I'm correct about the play, we only needed a few yards anyway and needed the points.

ScottF · 11-16-2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Wait a second. Hasn't it been necessary to have an extra place kicker due to Hartley's suspension and injury? Do you really think we should have cut Carney (pro bowl kicker) when Hartley returned with exactly ZERO game action this season?

We need the roster spot now in light of injuries, but I'm glad we had Carney. And if I'm correct about the play, we only needed a few yards anyway and needed the points.

With injuries adding up I don't think we can afford the luxury of 2 kickers. I serouisly think we better add someone who weighs about 160 pounds more than either kicker- our run D has been porous to say the least.

As for SP being SP, a good coach looks at 3rd and mid in no man's land and decides then if he is planning to go on 4th. I don't have a problem with SP extending his "4 down territory", but make two good calls, not 1 then a reaction

Papa Voodoo · 11-16-2009, 01:55 PM

Isn't Hartley hurt?

Budsdrinker · 11-16-2009, 02:47 PM

Hartley has an ankle sprain and it is my belief Payton is hanging on to Carney for 2 reasons, 1.because of other teams need for kickers and 2. for letting him go in 2007.Now if the injuries continue to mount up, then I can see someone getting cut.

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 04:44 PM

Kickers are mentally unstable as it is. They are like golfers in some respect. If you kill their confidence or they lose it somehow they get a case of the yips and are just finished. Look at what happened to Mike Vanderjagt. Most reliable kicker in the history of the game and now he is out of the NFL because he lost it mentally. I'm not saying Carney is there, but I am saying Payton is putting him there.

turbo_dog · 11-16-2009, 04:58 PM

Hartley was suspended for four games for steroids right? Shouldn't he be back now?

11-16-2009, 01:27 PM	#1
TXGSP LET MY TEAM GO! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Just north of COWGAL HELL Posts: 296	Re: Carney MUST Go Two kickers... really 3 Carney - Field Goals & PATs Hartley - has he kicked in the Reagular Season Morestead - KO & Punter Not sure who actually handled the KO's in yesterdays game but some of them were really short... Can Morestead handle the FGs & PATs...would free up 2 roster spots and one ACTIVE

11-16-2009, 01:42 PM	#2
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Carney MUST Go When we didn't go for that last field goal and then Morestead punted that ball through the back of the end zone I thought I was gonna throw a damn brick through the TV.

11-16-2009, 01:47 PM	#3
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,732	Re: Carney MUST Go Originally Posted by stockman311 When we didn't go for that last field goal and then Morestead punted that ball through the back of the end zone I thought I was gonna throw a damn brick through the TV. +1 We gained a lousy 15 yards of field position on that. I would have rather have gone for it on 4th down and missed...

11-17-2009, 08:01 AM	#4
RealDeal37 $aint'z "101" Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Shreveport (Port City), La Posts: 113	Re: Carney MUST Go This is in response to the comment's so many people are making about the call to go for it on 4th & 2 from the 28... Yes, i know majority would had punted, but u have 2 understand were he was coming from when he made that decission... Look, the Pat's defense could NOT stop manning on the last 3 drives, they ran up & down the field with ease. So with 2 min's laeft, he decided to go for it. NO, they did'nt get it, but i still believe it was not a bad call at all... Defense could NOT stop them, they were extremely tired & thought even if Indy did score, that they possibly get the ball back with a lil bit of time left to get down for a field goal. Unfortunatly it did'nt workout for them, but i do respect him. So, like im say'n, nobody stop's to think about it, it was NOT a BAD play call at all. Now, im gonna say this & i DON'T care wut anyone thinks, but i know one thing is for sure & I know this for a fact.............................. ( Had The Pat's gotten that 1st down, EVERYONE would had said how GENNIUSS he is & just how awesome of a play call it was ) LOL, I know that for a damn fact & so does everyone else in the world... So thats my take on it, bottom line!!! Anyway's, lat's just get ready for TB & get back on track with our OFFENSE, deffinetly our TURNOVER'S & most important of all our HEALTH!!! (Us fan's are very proud of yall & want yall to keep it going) ~~GEAUX SAINT'S~~

11-16-2009, 01:52 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Carney MUST Go Wait a second. Hasn't it been necessary to have an extra place kicker due to Hartley's suspension and injury? Do you really think we should have cut Carney (pro bowl kicker) when Hartley returned with exactly ZERO game action this season? We need the roster spot now in light of injuries, but I'm glad we had Carney. And if I'm correct about the play, we only needed a few yards anyway and needed the points.

11-16-2009, 02:50 PM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Carney MUST Go Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Wait a second. Hasn't it been necessary to have an extra place kicker due to Hartley's suspension and injury? Do you really think we should have cut Carney (pro bowl kicker) when Hartley returned with exactly ZERO game action this season? We need the roster spot now in light of injuries, but I'm glad we had Carney. And if I'm correct about the play, we only needed a few yards anyway and needed the points. With injuries adding up I don't think we can afford the luxury of 2 kickers. I serouisly think we better add someone who weighs about 160 pounds more than either kicker- our run D has been porous to say the least. As for SP being SP, a good coach looks at 3rd and mid in no man's land and decides then if he is planning to go on 4th. I don't have a problem with SP extending his "4 down territory", but make two good calls, not 1 then a reaction

11-16-2009, 01:55 PM	#7
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Carney MUST Go Isn't Hartley hurt?

11-16-2009, 02:47 PM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Carney MUST Go Hartley has an ankle sprain and it is my belief Payton is hanging on to Carney for 2 reasons, 1.because of other teams need for kickers and 2. for letting him go in 2007.Now if the injuries continue to mount up, then I can see someone getting cut.

11-16-2009, 04:44 PM	#9
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Carney MUST Go Kickers are mentally unstable as it is. They are like golfers in some respect. If you kill their confidence or they lose it somehow they get a case of the yips and are just finished. Look at what happened to Mike Vanderjagt. Most reliable kicker in the history of the game and now he is out of the NFL because he lost it mentally. I'm not saying Carney is there, but I am saying Payton is putting him there.

11-16-2009, 04:58 PM	#10
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Carney MUST Go Hartley was suspended for four games for steroids right? Shouldn't he be back now?

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