Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David

saintsfan1976 · 12-20-2009, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Maybe Ive been watching football "wrong" for the past twenty years. Is the offense supposed to stop the other team from scoring, or is it the defense? Is it the defense that's supposed to guard their end of the field, even if they are put in bad field position by a turnover? Or the offense? Blame goes every which a way, on this game, and no one did their job on either side of the field. I have my opinion, and I'm keeping it. Defense plays better, doesn't give up all of those long passes to Austin, and who knows.

I get what you're saying, but, would you consider the 13 minute difference in "time of possession " last night the defense's fault or the offense for committing 3 turnovers and for basically being stagnant for 3 quarters?

The D was put in bad positions all night by the offense. When it was 14-0 Payton could still have controlled the game.

cargojon · 12-20-2009, 11:15 PM

I can't believe this thread is still alive. Is there anyway to bump a thread to the back??

SaintPauly · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

I don't even remember who started this thread. Wasn't me. I thought the entire secondary sucked it up last night, not just Malcom. I will agree to disagree, and call it a night on this thread. Besides, Minnesota just clinched another loss, with Favre's interception. I guess we do get a Mulligan after all huh?

saintsrule · 12-21-2009, 01:01 AM

Jenkins is a rookie who will get better. The team might not know yet if he will be a CB or FS.

papz · 12-21-2009, 08:17 AM

Our hands are tied in this situation as we're forced to start Jenkins because Greer and Porter are out. It's obvious Jenkins is struggling out there... as he has the last 3 games now. It's not physical by any means, he's just not mentally all there during the game... which I think is reminiscent of Jason David and Josh Bullocks in that aspect. Let's just hope our D picks it back up and our guys coming back healthy for the playoffs. It'll allow Jenkins to go back to his dime/special team role where he was much more effective at the beginning of the year... until he shows he's ready enough for a bigger part of the defense.

Budsdrinker · 12-21-2009, 10:36 AM

The whole team played bad Saturday night. Not enough pressure on Romo, yes Jenkins bit on a pump and was burned by Austin it happens to every db in the game. The whole team is to be blamed not just 1 individual. Because if you want to blame just 1 player I'll start with the dropped td pass to Devery which took away what could have been a momentum swing.

9thWardDesire · 12-21-2009, 02:55 PM

Malcolm Jenkins is more of what Robert Massey was when he got toasted by Flipper Anderson. Afterwards, Massey got it together and became All-Pro. Time will tell on what kind of player Jenkins would become after he had a "Flipper-like" experience from Miles Austin. Jason David was just another Elvis Patterson.

stockman311 · 12-21-2009, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

Back before the season started there was a debate about whether we really needed Jenkins, who was holding out. I remember the poster said he was too slow to play corner and people here were dissing that person and asking what "credentials" he had to be able to make that statement. For the past few weeks, in almost every opposing team's highlight plays you can see that number 27 getting burned. He was so bad tonight we would have been better off playing 10 on defense. I'll never doubt that poster's "credentials" again. He was right.

I appreciate that. I could not have been more fervent that Jenkins was a FS and not a corner. I got into many debates over 40 times. It's good to be right sometimes.

stockman311 · 12-21-2009, 03:54 PM

The loss was obviously not Jenkis fault. He is a rookie, but mark my words, he's not a CB. He is being put in a pretty tough situation, so I don't blame him or compare him to JD at all. He has made some SPECTACULAR plays for us this year on ST and a few good plays on D this year. I think he will be a Pro Bowl FS in time.

Having said that, Charles Grant is like a freaking apparition out there. He's either hurt or losing it.

Props to Vilma, Porter, and Will Smith for MANNING UP and playing a hell of a game.

Harper has the worst hands in our secondary. His dropped pick was just inexcuseable.

strato · 12-21-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

The loss was obviously not Jenkis fault. He is a rookie, but mark my words, he's not a CB. He is being put in a pretty tough situation, so I don't blame him or compare him to JD at all. He has made some SPECTACULAR plays for us this year on ST and a few good plays on D this year. I think he will be a Pro Bowl FS in time.

Having said that, Charles Grant is like a freaking apparition out there. He's either hurt or losing it.

Props to Vilma, Porter, and Will Smith for MANNING UP and playing a hell of a game.

Harper has the worst hands in our secondary. His dropped pick was just inexcuseable.

Total agreement..i wont defend anybody that cant do thier job..but M.J is playing the wrong job..and will shine like a new set of guitar strings as a free safety..lol

12-20-2009, 11:11 PM	#71
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,821 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Maybe Ive been watching football "wrong" for the past twenty years. Is the offense supposed to stop the other team from scoring, or is it the defense? Is it the defense that's supposed to guard their end of the field, even if they are put in bad field position by a turnover? Or the offense? Blame goes every which a way, on this game, and no one did their job on either side of the field. I have my opinion, and I'm keeping it. Defense plays better, doesn't give up all of those long passes to Austin, and who knows. I get what you're saying, but, would you consider the 13 minute difference in "time of possession " last night the defense's fault or the offense for committing 3 turnovers and for basically being stagnant for 3 quarters? The D was put in bad positions all night by the offense. When it was 14-0 Payton could still have controlled the game.

12-20-2009, 11:15 PM	#72
cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David I can't believe this thread is still alive. Is there anyway to bump a thread to the back??
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12-20-2009, 11:17 PM	#73
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David I don't even remember who started this thread. Wasn't me. I thought the entire secondary sucked it up last night, not just Malcom. I will agree to disagree, and call it a night on this thread. Besides, Minnesota just clinched another loss, with Favre's interception. I guess we do get a Mulligan after all huh?

12-21-2009, 01:01 AM	#74
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12-21-2009, 08:17 AM	#75
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,742	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David Our hands are tied in this situation as we're forced to start Jenkins because Greer and Porter are out. It's obvious Jenkins is struggling out there... as he has the last 3 games now. It's not physical by any means, he's just not mentally all there during the game... which I think is reminiscent of Jason David and Josh Bullocks in that aspect. Let's just hope our D picks it back up and our guys coming back healthy for the playoffs. It'll allow Jenkins to go back to his dime/special team role where he was much more effective at the beginning of the year... until he shows he's ready enough for a bigger part of the defense.
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12-21-2009, 10:36 AM	#76
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David The whole team played bad Saturday night. Not enough pressure on Romo, yes Jenkins bit on a pump and was burned by Austin it happens to every db in the game. The whole team is to be blamed not just 1 individual. Because if you want to blame just 1 player I'll start with the dropped td pass to Devery which took away what could have been a momentum swing.

12-21-2009, 02:55 PM	#77
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David Malcolm Jenkins is more of what Robert Massey was when he got toasted by Flipper Anderson. Afterwards, Massey got it together and became All-Pro. Time will tell on what kind of player Jenkins would become after he had a "Flipper-like" experience from Miles Austin. Jason David was just another Elvis Patterson.

12-21-2009, 03:41 PM	#78
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David Originally Posted by poydras Back before the season started there was a debate about whether we really needed Jenkins, who was holding out. I remember the poster said he was too slow to play corner and people here were dissing that person and asking what "credentials" he had to be able to make that statement. For the past few weeks, in almost every opposing team's highlight plays you can see that number 27 getting burned. He was so bad tonight we would have been better off playing 10 on defense. I'll never doubt that poster's "credentials" again. He was right. I appreciate that. I could not have been more fervent that Jenkins was a FS and not a corner. I got into many debates over 40 times. It's good to be right sometimes.

12-21-2009, 03:54 PM	#79
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David The loss was obviously not Jenkis fault. He is a rookie, but mark my words, he's not a CB. He is being put in a pretty tough situation, so I don't blame him or compare him to JD at all. He has made some SPECTACULAR plays for us this year on ST and a few good plays on D this year. I think he will be a Pro Bowl FS in time. Having said that, Charles Grant is like a freaking apparition out there. He's either hurt or losing it. Props to Vilma, Porter, and Will Smith for MANNING UP and playing a hell of a game. Harper has the worst hands in our secondary. His dropped pick was just inexcuseable.

12-21-2009, 03:58 PM	#80
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David Originally Posted by stockman311 The loss was obviously not Jenkis fault. He is a rookie, but mark my words, he's not a CB. He is being put in a pretty tough situation, so I don't blame him or compare him to JD at all. He has made some SPECTACULAR plays for us this year on ST and a few good plays on D this year. I think he will be a Pro Bowl FS in time. Having said that, Charles Grant is like a freaking apparition out there. He's either hurt or losing it. Props to Vilma, Porter, and Will Smith for MANNING UP and playing a hell of a game. Harper has the worst hands in our secondary. His dropped pick was just inexcuseable. Total agreement..i wont defend anybody that cant do thier job..but M.J is playing the wrong job..and will shine like a new set of guitar strings as a free safety..lol