OK, now here's where this fan draws the line...

SaintsFan1967 · 12-28-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Bull... if they suck a fan has a right to say they suck!

Sorry you are professionals its apart of the game deal with it. Fans pay them to perform and if they don't they deserve to be called out.

My question is "who pays the bills"... the answer... the fans.

I agree 100%. I think the team and the organization know by now just how the fans feel. Hey there is no excuse for what happened. And if I want to voice my opinon then I think I have every right too. I work hard for my money. Sorry if a few millionairs like C. Grant and co. don't like it.

arsaint · 12-28-2009, 02:47 PM

OK, maybe I took the wording in this story too literally.

It says :

Defensive end Charles Grant expressed his disappointment with fans who showered the New Orleans Saints with boos and expletives as they left the field Sunday.

I can appreciate everyone's opinion of Grant's play this year (or past couple of years), but to me that story is not about Charles Grant other than his reaction.

He is saying that the fans were yelling that the New Orleans Saints bleeping suck, not Charles Grant.

I draw the line on that. Many players gave it their all yesterday. Obviously many others did not, but have in almost every game this season.

As bad as our team played yesterday and even if they finish 13-4, they don't bleeping suck.

I would not have screamed that at the 1980, 1996, 1999 or 2005 Saints as a whole and I sure wouldn't say that about the 2009 squad no matter where and when this season ends. PERIOD.

Dasidreidia · 12-28-2009, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

OK, maybe I took the wording in this story too literally.

It says :

Defensive end Charles Grant expressed his disappointment with fans who showered the New Orleans Saints with boos and expletives as they left the field Sunday.

I can appreciate everyone's opinion of Grant's play this year (or past couple of years), but to me that story is not about Charles Grant other than his reaction.

He is saying that the fans were yelling that the New Orleans Saints bleeping suck, not Charles Grant.

I draw the line on that. Many players gave it their all yesterday. Obviously many others did not, but have in almost every game this season.

As bad as our team played yesterday and even if they finish 13-4, they don't bleeping suck.

I would not have screamed that at the 1980, 1996, 1999 or 2005 Saints as a whole and I sure wouldn't say that about the 2009 squad no matter where and when this season ends. PERIOD.

Exactly. They're still the winningest team in Saints history. And that counts for something.

saintfan · 12-28-2009, 03:59 PM

Well when I was a kid I booed refs, and I might boo a guy like TO for some of his 'me-first' antics, I might even boo a team for a high level of suckage, but I'm not hanging over the rail screaming that kind of stuff - that makes it personal. I think it's a bit over the top.

skymike · 12-28-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

25 years ago I might have yelled "You Suck!" and beat my chest proclaiming my fanhood.

Those 25 years are behind me now. These days I see that behavior as inappropriate, and certainly not something I would want my daughter to see me doing. ...

Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. Yes, growing up is a good thing. Same here.
Now I make it a point to hold my wife's hand lovingly, and be a good husband while we walk the Walk of Sad down the slippery Terrace steps & ramps. She knows I need ice cream. Its gonna get better.

Maybe 25 years from now I'll not keep thinking fire that idiot kicker.
ok.

As fans, we have to lose our obsession with how much more money that guy makes than you. Maybe if you got your fat butt off the couch and exercised a little, you could make a bigger check too. Its not Charles Grant's fault you cant play ball. He didnt put a gun to your head and make you choose a career at Walmart. You'd cry like a toddler, if you had to do a day of training camp, even for a million dollars, and you'd lay there and cry from one of the hits these guys takes, so dont be a hater.

Dont be a jerk in the stands. These guys can sometimes choose where they play, or how much they play for. The more you act like an *******, the more they think, "this is a business, **** them."

So man up & represent yourself well.

exile · 12-28-2009, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. Yes, growing up is a good thing. Same here.
Now I make it a point to hold my wife's hand lovingly, and be a good husband while we walk the Walk of Sad down the slippery Terrace steps & ramps. She knows I need ice cream. Its gonna get better.

Maybe 25 years from now I'll not keep thinking fire that idiot kicker.
ok.

As fans, we have to lose our obsession with how much more money that guy makes than you. Maybe if you got your fat butt off the couch and exercised a little, you could make a bigger check too. Its not Charles Grant's fault you cant play ball. He didnt put a gun to your head and make you choose a career at Walmart. You'd cry like a toddler, if you had to do a day of training camp, even for a million dollars, and you'd lay there and cry from one of the hits these guys takes, so dont be a hater.

Dont be a jerk in the stands. These guys can sometimes choose where they play, or how much they play for. The more you act like an *******, the more they think, "this is a business, **** them."

So man up & represent yourself well.

I agree with all of this but I must add that Grant has been in the league long enough to expect to this kind of fan after a huge loss. He still has a little growing up to do as well.

strato · 12-28-2009, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. Yes, growing up is a good thing. Same here.
Now I make it a point to hold my wife's hand lovingly, and be a good husband while we walk the Walk of Sad down the slippery Terrace steps & ramps. She knows I need ice cream. Its gonna get better.

Maybe 25 years from now I'll not keep thinking fire that idiot kicker.
ok.

As fans, we have to lose our obsession with how much more money that guy makes than you. Maybe if you got your fat butt off the couch and exercised a little, you could make a bigger check too. Its not Charles Grant's fault you cant play ball. He didnt put a gun to your head and make you choose a career at Walmart. You'd cry like a toddler, if you had to do a day of training camp, even for a million dollars, and you'd lay there and cry from one of the hits these guys takes, so dont be a hater.

Dont be a jerk in the stands. These guys can sometimes choose where they play, or how much they play for. The more you act like an *******, the more they think, "this is a business, **** them."

So man up & represent yourself well.

Hey Mike ...i have to disagree i would let these guys stomp on me and rub my face in the dirt for a million dollars...lol..Hell i would even fight C.Grant for some chikin wings...

skymike · 12-28-2009, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Hey Mike ...i have to disagree i would let these guys stomp on me and rub my face in the dirt for a million dollars...lol..Hell i would even fight C.Grant for some chikin wings...

I know, I'm poor enough to work much cheaper too--haa!

I think they should have football fantasy camp, like they do in baseball. let us suit up & go thru all the drills, etc. You'd have a lot fewer fat losers yelling crap from the stands. It would be more like, "oooh, I dont think I could have tacked that guy, either. We'll get em next time."

saintfan · 12-28-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now.

I'm sorry. You had me right here. I know you typed a lot more, but...well...you know...

strato · 12-28-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I know, I'm poor enough to work much cheaper too--haa!

I think they should have football fantasy camp, like they do in baseball. let us suit up & go thru all the drills, etc. You'd have a lot fewer fat losers yelling crap from the stands. It would be more like, "oooh, I dont think I could have tacked that guy, either. We'll get em next time."

Yeah yelling that stuff is not cool..but im sure they were drunk and feel bad today...lol..and Grant can get in his Million dollar ride and turn up the tunes and laugh....The only positive is maybe he feels some guilt from all the money he stole..I still say as big as he's gotten we should experiment putting him at DT and Hargrove on the edge...We got to do something ..our run D is terrible..

12-28-2009, 02:37 PM	#11
SaintsFan1967 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by Euphoria Bull... if they suck a fan has a right to say they suck! Sorry you are professionals its apart of the game deal with it. Fans pay them to perform and if they don't they deserve to be called out. My question is "who pays the bills"... the answer... the fans. I agree 100%. I think the team and the organization know by now just how the fans feel. Hey there is no excuse for what happened. And if I want to voice my opinon then I think I have every right too. I work hard for my money. Sorry if a few millionairs like C. Grant and co. don't like it.
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12-28-2009, 02:47 PM	#12
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,716	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... OK, maybe I took the wording in this story too literally. It says : Defensive end Charles Grant expressed his disappointment with fans who showered the New Orleans Saints with boos and expletives as they left the field Sunday. I can appreciate everyone's opinion of Grant's play this year (or past couple of years), but to me that story is not about Charles Grant other than his reaction. He is saying that the fans were yelling that the New Orleans Saints bleeping suck, not Charles Grant. I draw the line on that. Many players gave it their all yesterday. Obviously many others did not, but have in almost every game this season. As bad as our team played yesterday and even if they finish 13-4, they don't bleeping suck. I would not have screamed that at the 1980, 1996, 1999 or 2005 Saints as a whole and I sure wouldn't say that about the 2009 squad no matter where and when this season ends. PERIOD.
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12-28-2009, 02:52 PM	#13
Dasidreidia 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Charlotte (Kill me), but born in Gretna. Posts: 721	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by arsaint OK, maybe I took the wording in this story too literally. It says : Defensive end Charles Grant expressed his disappointment with fans who showered the New Orleans Saints with boos and expletives as they left the field Sunday. I can appreciate everyone's opinion of Grant's play this year (or past couple of years), but to me that story is not about Charles Grant other than his reaction. He is saying that the fans were yelling that the New Orleans Saints bleeping suck, not Charles Grant. I draw the line on that. Many players gave it their all yesterday. Obviously many others did not, but have in almost every game this season. As bad as our team played yesterday and even if they finish 13-4, they don't bleeping suck. I would not have screamed that at the 1980, 1996, 1999 or 2005 Saints as a whole and I sure wouldn't say that about the 2009 squad no matter where and when this season ends. PERIOD. Exactly. They're still the winningest team in Saints history. And that counts for something.

12-28-2009, 03:59 PM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Well when I was a kid I booed refs, and I might boo a guy like TO for some of his 'me-first' antics, I might even boo a team for a high level of suckage, but I'm not hanging over the rail screaming that kind of stuff - that makes it personal. I think it's a bit over the top.

12-28-2009, 05:10 PM	#15
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by saintfan 25 years ago I might have yelled "You Suck!" and beat my chest proclaiming my fanhood. Those 25 years are behind me now. These days I see that behavior as inappropriate, and certainly not something I would want my daughter to see me doing. ... Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. Yes, growing up is a good thing. Same here. Now I make it a point to hold my wife's hand lovingly, and be a good husband while we walk the Walk of Sad down the slippery Terrace steps & ramps. She knows I need ice cream. Its gonna get better. Maybe 25 years from now I'll not keep thinking fire that idiot kicker. ok. As fans, we have to lose our obsession with how much more money that guy makes than you. Maybe if you got your fat butt off the couch and exercised a little, you could make a bigger check too. Its not Charles Grant's fault you cant play ball. He didnt put a gun to your head and make you choose a career at Walmart. You'd cry like a toddler, if you had to do a day of training camp, even for a million dollars, and you'd lay there and cry from one of the hits these guys takes, so dont be a hater. Dont be a jerk in the stands. These guys can sometimes choose where they play, or how much they play for. The more you act like an *****, the more they think, "this is a business, ** them." So man up & represent yourself well.
	Last edited by skymike; 12-28-2009 at 05:15 PM..

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12-28-2009, 05:18 PM	#16
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by skymike Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. Yes, growing up is a good thing. Same here. Now I make it a point to hold my wife's hand lovingly, and be a good husband while we walk the Walk of Sad down the slippery Terrace steps & ramps. She knows I need ice cream. Its gonna get better. Maybe 25 years from now I'll not keep thinking fire that idiot kicker. ok. As fans, we have to lose our obsession with how much more money that guy makes than you. Maybe if you got your fat butt off the couch and exercised a little, you could make a bigger check too. Its not Charles Grant's fault you cant play ball. He didnt put a gun to your head and make you choose a career at Walmart. You'd cry like a toddler, if you had to do a day of training camp, even for a million dollars, and you'd lay there and cry from one of the hits these guys takes, so dont be a hater. Dont be a jerk in the stands. These guys can sometimes choose where they play, or how much they play for. The more you act like an *****, the more they think, "this is a business, ** them." So man up & represent yourself well. I agree with all of this but I must add that Grant has been in the league long enough to expect to this kind of fan after a huge loss. He still has a little growing up to do as well.
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12-28-2009, 05:20 PM	#17
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by skymike Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. Yes, growing up is a good thing. Same here. Now I make it a point to hold my wife's hand lovingly, and be a good husband while we walk the Walk of Sad down the slippery Terrace steps & ramps. She knows I need ice cream. Its gonna get better. Maybe 25 years from now I'll not keep thinking fire that idiot kicker. ok. As fans, we have to lose our obsession with how much more money that guy makes than you. Maybe if you got your fat butt off the couch and exercised a little, you could make a bigger check too. Its not Charles Grant's fault you cant play ball. He didnt put a gun to your head and make you choose a career at Walmart. You'd cry like a toddler, if you had to do a day of training camp, even for a million dollars, and you'd lay there and cry from one of the hits these guys takes, so dont be a hater. Dont be a jerk in the stands. These guys can sometimes choose where they play, or how much they play for. The more you act like an *****, the more they think, "this is a business, ** them." So man up & represent yourself well. Hey Mike ...i have to disagree i would let these guys stomp on me and rub my face in the dirt for a million dollars...lol..Hell i would even fight C.Grant for some chikin wings...

12-28-2009, 05:24 PM	#18
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by strato Hey Mike ...i have to disagree i would let these guys stomp on me and rub my face in the dirt for a million dollars...lol..Hell i would even fight C.Grant for some chikin wings... I know, I'm poor enough to work much cheaper too--haa! I think they should have football fantasy camp, like they do in baseball. let us suit up & go thru all the drills, etc. You'd have a lot fewer fat losers yelling crap from the stands. It would be more like, "oooh, I dont think I could have tacked that guy, either. We'll get em next time."

12-28-2009, 05:28 PM	#19
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by skymike Zooey is proud of you, and will probably go out with you now. I'm sorry. You had me right here. I know you typed a lot more, but...well...you know...

12-28-2009, 05:35 PM	#20
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: OK, now here's where this fan draws the line... Originally Posted by skymike I know, I'm poor enough to work much cheaper too--haa! I think they should have football fantasy camp, like they do in baseball. let us suit up & go thru all the drills, etc. You'd have a lot fewer fat losers yelling crap from the stands. It would be more like, "oooh, I dont think I could have tacked that guy, either. We'll get em next time." Yeah yelling that stuff is not cool..but im sure they were drunk and feel bad today...lol..and Grant can get in his Million dollar ride and turn up the tunes and laugh....The only positive is maybe he feels some guilt from all the money he stole..I still say as big as he's gotten we should experiment putting him at DT and Hargrove on the edge...We got to do something ..our run D is terrible..