Colts Receivers better than Ours?

indy4192 · 02-02-2010, 04:20 PM

They are two different issues. There is no question the Colts have the better offensive unit, but that doesn't mean they will win the game, because as the local and national media has said, the Colts are defenseless without Freeney and the Saints will role.

Originally Posted by JoanieNTX

But the thing is that Indy must be schizo or bi-polar (no offense to those who have the legit problem), because one minute he concedes defeat to the Saints, and the next, he's touting the Dolts offense as the best there is. Make up your mind, Indy!

Papa Voodoo · 02-02-2010, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by indy4192

They are two different issues. There is no question the Colts have the better offensive unit, but that doesn't mean they will win the game, because as the local and national media has said, the Colts are defenseless without Freeney and the Saints will role.

I understanding that razzing opposing teams' message boards is well and good, but willy nilly opinions are silly willy.

The Saints, not the Colts have the better offensive unit. Saints have 4 big time recievers to the Colts' 2 1/2 (Collie is not that wonderful). The Saints have 3 RB's to the Colts' 1. Let's call the TE position a wash.

Besides that, the number 1 offense in the NFL this season is New orleans. The Colts aren't even number 2. The Colts have the 25th rushing O where the Saints led the league for much of the year until PT got hurt (who is fully healthy again).

The Saints can run well and extend drives.

indy4192 · 02-02-2010, 04:55 PM

If Collie is not that wonderful how did he do what he did against the No. 1 ranked D in all of football? How many of your big time WR had 100 catches this season? The Colts have 2 good RB and 1 who can pound it down low (Addai/Brown/Hart) and the TE is a wash? Your kidding right, there is no TE in the game that can do what Clark can do. The Saints didn't play the quality of teams the colts did, thus the rankings are a big misleading.[

QUOTE=Papa Voodoo;202493]I understanding that razzing opposing teams' message boards is well and good, but willy nilly opinions are silly willy.

The Saints, not the Colts have the better offensive unit. Saints have 4 big time recievers to the Colts' 2 1/2 (Collie is not that wonderful). The Saints have 3 RB's to the Colts' 1. Let's call the TE position a wash.

Besides that, the number 1 offense in the NFL this season is New orleans. The Colts aren't even number 2. The Colts have the 25th rushing O where the Saints led the league for much of the year until PT got hurt (who is fully healthy again).

The Saints can run well and extend drives.[/QUOTE]

SAINT_MICHAEL · 02-02-2010, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by indy4192

There is no question the Colts have the better offensive unit,

Really? Well, how about this to make you question it? The Saints and Colts played 6 common opponents this year; the Dolphins, Jets, Cardinals, Rams, Pats, and Bills. We'll take out the Bills as I know you will say you guys didn't try. So between the remaining 5 teams, if you look at average of yards gained and points scored it boils down to this:

Colts 399.5 ypg 30.0 ppg
Saints 415 ypg 33.8 ppg

So, explain to me how there is no question that the Colts have the better offense. I'm not saying the Saints ARE better. I'm just saying that there is no question your statement is stupid.

Jabba · 02-02-2010, 04:19 PM

Both squads are good. I can only comment on two issues in this whole thread. 1. don't lump "Colts Fans" all into the same bag. 2. Shockey and Clark are WAY different receivers. Although Clark is officially a TE, he plays the slot as much as anywhere, and is not a prototypical TE like Shockey is. Personally, I think Shockey is a punk... but I also admit, that editing can make a pretty good guy look bad. He's probably OK, but has a lot of passion that sometimes gets expressed in a less than appropriate way. But Clark creates match-up problems for defenses. LB's struggle with his speed, and DB's struggle with his size. Not to mention... that if there are DB's covering Clark... that sure frees up Wayne, Collie OR Garcon for a man to man, that Peyton will find. And the Colts are down Marvin Harrison AND Antonio Gonzales this year.

I am not that familiar with the Saints receiver corps... other than they, and drew brees put up a LOT of offense this year.

Jabba

Choupique · 02-02-2010, 04:25 PM

If the Dolts have better WR than the SAINTS, why did the Black & Gold lead the league in O? Who Dat!

Sure, all teams have wide outs.

We have Colston, Henderson, Meach and REG-GIE! too?

Get out of town. The Dolts D had better bring their A game, is more like it.

WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE, lest ye forget.

Neighbor please.

Jabba · 02-02-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Choupique

If the Dolts have better WR than the SAINTS, why did the Black & Gold lead the league in O?

WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE, lest ye forget.

Neighbor please.

I'll beat Indy to it...

In a terrible division, in the weaker conference.

Ya'll are tough... but stats mean squat. They mean nothing coming from us colts fans... and they mean nothing coming from Saints fans. Maybe they have the BEST O in the league... but coming out of the NFC, and more specifically the NFC South offensive stats will always be questioned no matter how impressive they are.

Jabba

SaintPauly · 02-02-2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Jabba

I'll beat Indy to it...

In a terrible division, in the weaker conference.

Ya'll are tough... but stats mean squat. They mean nothing coming from us colts fans... and they mean nothing coming from Saints fans. Maybe they have the BEST O in the league... but coming out of the NFC, and more specifically the NFC South offensive stats will always be questioned no matter how impressive they are.

Jabba

Well, allow me to retort.... Can anyone answer this question... How many AFC teams, did the Saints lose too, this past season? Anybody?

indy4192 · 02-02-2010, 04:51 PM

Ummm look at the garbage teams they played?

Originally Posted by Choupique

If the Dolts have better WR than the SAINTS, why did the Black & Gold lead the league in O? Who Dat!

Sure, all teams have wide outs.

We have Colston, Henderson, Meach and REG-GIE! too?

Get out of town. The Dolts D had better bring their A game, is more like it.

WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE, lest ye forget.

Neighbor please.

Jabba · 02-02-2010, 04:47 PM

The AFC was 10 games better than the NFC this year in head to head games. The AFC South had 38 wins in the divisional teams. The worst one was 7-9 Jags. The NFC South won 33 games, with the lowly Bucs at 3-13 who you LOST to. Now... granted it was in garbage time at the end of the year... just like our losses to the JETS and the Bills. Throw away games. But the rest is pretty undisputable. The NFC South was mediocre. The AFC South was the best in the NFL.

02-02-2010, 04:20 PM	#1
indy4192 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 122	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? They are two different issues. There is no question the Colts have the better offensive unit, but that doesn't mean they will win the game, because as the local and national media has said, the Colts are defenseless without Freeney and the Saints will role. Originally Posted by JoanieNTX But the thing is that Indy must be schizo or bi-polar (no offense to those who have the legit problem), because one minute he concedes defeat to the Saints, and the next, he's touting the Dolts offense as the best there is. Make up your mind, Indy!
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02-02-2010, 04:27 PM	#2
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? Originally Posted by indy4192 They are two different issues. There is no question the Colts have the better offensive unit, but that doesn't mean they will win the game, because as the local and national media has said, the Colts are defenseless without Freeney and the Saints will role. I understanding that razzing opposing teams' message boards is well and good, but willy nilly opinions are silly willy. The Saints, not the Colts have the better offensive unit. Saints have 4 big time recievers to the Colts' 2 1/2 (Collie is not that wonderful). The Saints have 3 RB's to the Colts' 1. Let's call the TE position a wash. Besides that, the number 1 offense in the NFL this season is New orleans. The Colts aren't even number 2. The Colts have the 25th rushing O where the Saints led the league for much of the year until PT got hurt (who is fully healthy again). The Saints can run well and extend drives.

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indy4192 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 122	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? If Collie is not that wonderful how did he do what he did against the No. 1 ranked D in all of football? How many of your big time WR had 100 catches this season? The Colts have 2 good RB and 1 who can pound it down low (Addai/Brown/Hart) and the TE is a wash? Your kidding right, there is no TE in the game that can do what Clark can do. The Saints didn't play the quality of teams the colts did, thus the rankings are a big misleading.[ QUOTE=Papa Voodoo;202493]I understanding that razzing opposing teams' message boards is well and good, but willy nilly opinions are silly willy. The Saints, not the Colts have the better offensive unit. Saints have 4 big time recievers to the Colts' 2 1/2 (Collie is not that wonderful). The Saints have 3 RB's to the Colts' 1. Let's call the TE position a wash. Besides that, the number 1 offense in the NFL this season is New orleans. The Colts aren't even number 2. The Colts have the 25th rushing O where the Saints led the league for much of the year until PT got hurt (who is fully healthy again). The Saints can run well and extend drives.[/QUOTE]
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02-02-2010, 07:18 PM	#4
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? Originally Posted by indy4192 There is no question the Colts have the better offensive unit, Really? Well, how about this to make you question it? The Saints and Colts played 6 common opponents this year; the Dolphins, Jets, Cardinals, Rams, Pats, and Bills. We'll take out the Bills as I know you will say you guys didn't try. So between the remaining 5 teams, if you look at average of yards gained and points scored it boils down to this: Colts 399.5 ypg 30.0 ppg Saints 415 ypg 33.8 ppg So, explain to me how there is no question that the Colts have the better offense. I'm not saying the Saints ARE better. I'm just saying that there is no question your statement is stupid.
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Jabba Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 41	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? Both squads are good. I can only comment on two issues in this whole thread. 1. don't lump "Colts Fans" all into the same bag. 2. Shockey and Clark are WAY different receivers. Although Clark is officially a TE, he plays the slot as much as anywhere, and is not a prototypical TE like Shockey is. Personally, I think Shockey is a punk... but I also admit, that editing can make a pretty good guy look bad. He's probably OK, but has a lot of passion that sometimes gets expressed in a less than appropriate way. But Clark creates match-up problems for defenses. LB's struggle with his speed, and DB's struggle with his size. Not to mention... that if there are DB's covering Clark... that sure frees up Wayne, Collie OR Garcon for a man to man, that Peyton will find. And the Colts are down Marvin Harrison AND Antonio Gonzales this year. I am not that familiar with the Saints receiver corps... other than they, and drew brees put up a LOT of offense this year. Jabba
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Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? If the Dolts have better WR than the SAINTS, why did the Black & Gold lead the league in O? Who Dat! Sure, all teams have wide outs. We have Colston, Henderson, Meach and REG-GIE! too? Get out of town. The Dolts D had better bring their A game, is more like it. WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE, lest ye forget. Neighbor please.
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Jabba Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 41	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? Originally Posted by Choupique If the Dolts have better WR than the SAINTS, why did the Black & Gold lead the league in O? WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE, lest ye forget. Neighbor please. I'll beat Indy to it... In a terrible division, in the weaker conference. Ya'll are tough... but stats mean squat. They mean nothing coming from us colts fans... and they mean nothing coming from Saints fans. Maybe they have the BEST O in the league... but coming out of the NFC, and more specifically the NFC South offensive stats will always be questioned no matter how impressive they are. Jabba
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SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? Originally Posted by Jabba I'll beat Indy to it... In a terrible division, in the weaker conference. Ya'll are tough... but stats mean squat. They mean nothing coming from us colts fans... and they mean nothing coming from Saints fans. Maybe they have the BEST O in the league... but coming out of the NFC, and more specifically the NFC South offensive stats will always be questioned no matter how impressive they are. Jabba Well, allow me to retort.... Can anyone answer this question... How many AFC teams, did the Saints lose too, this past season? Anybody?

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indy4192 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 122	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? Ummm look at the garbage teams they played? Originally Posted by Choupique If the Dolts have better WR than the SAINTS, why did the Black & Gold lead the league in O? Who Dat! Sure, all teams have wide outs. We have Colston, Henderson, Meach and REG-GIE! too? Get out of town. The Dolts D had better bring their A game, is more like it. WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE, lest ye forget. Neighbor please.
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Jabba Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 41	Re: Colts Receivers better than Ours? The AFC was 10 games better than the NFC this year in head to head games. The AFC South had 38 wins in the divisional teams. The worst one was 7-9 Jags. The NFC South won 33 games, with the lowly Bucs at 3-13 who you LOST to. Now... granted it was in garbage time at the end of the year... just like our losses to the JETS and the Bills. Throw away games. But the rest is pretty undisputable. The NFC South was mediocre. The AFC South was the best in the NFL.
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