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jeanpierre 03-08-2010 04:46 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212011)
Our offense was first in the league last year and has basically lost no one. Why on earth would we need to draft anyone on that side of the ball except maybe a backup OL in the later rounds?

That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points...

First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al?

Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs...

Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses?

I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available...

stockman311 03-08-2010 05:04 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 212182)
That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points...

First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al?

Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs...

Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses?

I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available...

Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need.

Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful

Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32?

I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are.

jeanpierre 03-08-2010 06:02 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212184)
Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need.

Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful

Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32?

I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are.

And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick...

Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need...

But it's all good if we continue to disagree...

QBREES9 03-08-2010 08:17 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
Does this mean the Saints will draft Mr Irrelevent.

CantonLegend 03-08-2010 08:26 PM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 212219)
Does this mean the Saints will draft Mr Irrelevent.

the last pick is a compensatory pick but since we only lost fujita, it will likely not be us

QBREES9 03-08-2010 08:30 PM

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Just thought it might be funny.

jeanpierre 03-09-2010 07:55 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
Was looking at the draft order and considering the Redskins like "proven" veterans over free agents (Shanahan may be the new coach, but Snyder still will make the calls), I think the Saints should consider trading Jamaal Brown to swap No. 1's and pick up an additonal R3 pick...

BRSaintsFan 03-09-2010 08:37 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 212192)
And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick...

Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need...

But it's all good if we continue to disagree...

Could not agree more. I would love to see Dan Williams, Brian Price, or Sean Weatherspoon taken at 32. But top end franchises that are continuously picking in the latter part of the rounds draft for value. If there is a team need, and a player's value matches that need, then sure its a no brainer. But you draft based on value and you follow your draft board. I see us taking a defender as well because in my opinion, there are most defensive players with value in that 25-35 range than offensive players so I think there will be someone there with value to fill a need. But again, if a player that the Saints draft board has valued in the top 20 falls to 32, they are smart enough to take that talent rather than reach down their draft board for a player valued 35 who fits a "need".

stockman311 03-10-2010 10:27 AM

Re: 2010 NFL Draft
 
PRO DAY WORKOUT - Missouri Tigers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon
The third-ranked outside linebacker parlayed his strong combine showing into a very good pro day on Thursday, including an improved 40-yard dash time. At the combine, Weatherspoon ran the 40 in 4.68 seconds and did 34 bench-press reps. At his pro day, he ran the 40 in 4.54 and 4.52 seconds and added another rep to his bench press.

Overall, Weatherspoon has looked good throughout every postseason showing. The 6-foot-1¼, 239-pounder has very quick feet, changes directions well, is fluid and has improved his ball skills. As a result, Weatherspoon likely will come off the board late in the first round.

saintsfan1976 03-10-2010 02:08 PM

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IMO Weatherspoon and Jerry Hughes are the top OLB in the draft. We would be lucky to grab either one at 32.


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