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jeanpierre 02-09-2010 01:07 PM

2010 NFL Draft
 
No, let's celebrate a few more weeks before we get started (though we need to get Hagen up in the BullPen)...

But my point is that if you start reading some of the early mock drafts, the Saints are picking No. 31 instead of No. 32; definitely a Dewey Defeats Truman moment!!

Danny Cox 02-09-2010 01:09 PM

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I've been reading that and guess they just haven't done an updated draft since Sunday night! ;)

My early thought is an interior defensive lineman or outside linebacker. More though as we get further away from our championship win!

neugey 02-09-2010 01:13 PM

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They should leave us at #31 as punishment for assuming the Colts would win :-)

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2010 02:26 PM

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DT is a must. OLB and DE could be upgraded. We have a couple of players coming back from IR who could improve our depth on the defense. If we found a center I would be happy, although we don't necessarily need it as much.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2010 02:30 PM

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Depth on both lines.

Upgrade OLB.

Depth at CB.

21Hilliard 02-09-2010 03:30 PM

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I know it's not part of the draft per se, but what about signing Julius Peppers as a DE replacement/upgrade? We've lost players to other division teams over the years, would Peppers be worth pursuing?

saintsfan1976 02-09-2010 03:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 21Hilliard (Post 206425)
I know it's not part of the draft per se, but what about signing Julius Peppers as a DE replacement/upgrade? We've lost players to other division teams over the years, would Peppers be worth pursuing?

Not at that much money.

21Hilliard 02-09-2010 03:53 PM

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I haven't seen numbers on his deal, I just know he's coming available. I'd rather have him with us then have to play against him twice.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2010 05:52 PM

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Why, he didn't do squat against us this year and he's leaving Carolina anyway

I couldn't see paying the kind of money he will command.

We could have a shot at Aaron Kapman (ACL) or Darryl Tapp who is a solid run defender.

Draft: George Selvie DE/OLB - South FL

papz 02-09-2010 05:56 PM

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With the 32nd pick in the NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select...

Chad Jones, OLB, LSU

*me drools*

saintsfan1976 02-09-2010 06:01 PM

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You mean safety Papz?

st thomas 02-09-2010 06:18 PM

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definitly de be it the draft or trade or free agent, a grant, peppers swap. a back up qb, theres going to be so much to think about coming soon.

homerj07 02-09-2010 07:11 PM

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OK also not draft & Herm Edwards put it out on ESPN - BUT I had also thought about it...

Reggie goes (SF maybe) & that frees uo a few million & we sign...

LT.

Yes he is old & Has some miles BUT he would be a good fit in our offense. He catches well out of the backfiled & has a better north/south stlye then Reggie - Just a thought.

Hell - Trade Reggie to SD - get some compensation AND LT.

papz 02-09-2010 07:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 206484)
You mean safety Papz?

Nope. :cool:

SaintPauly 02-09-2010 07:36 PM

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I'm sticking with DT. I'm tired of teams racking up the rush yards on us. DT, followed by OLB. Space eating DT, that draws double teams, to free up Ellis.

st thomas 02-09-2010 07:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 21Hilliard (Post 206425)
I know it's not part of the draft per se, but what about signing Julius Peppers as a DE replacement/upgrade? We've lost players to other division teams over the years, would Peppers be worth pursuing?

your right hilliard, how many times we let go free agents to carolina and they came back to bite us. m. fields, sam mills, jake delhomme. tommy barnhart, wesly walls theres more. lets get peppers in here and change his carreer around

rich006 02-09-2010 09:25 PM

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Peppers = $$$

No way Loomis and Payton would spend that much on a free agent or any one player, at least not on defense.

Regarding Bush (speaking of expensive players), I saw somewhere (MooseDenied maybe?) that he would be a good fit in Seattle with Pete Carroll as the new coach there. Makes a lot of sense. Of course I'd rather see him restructure and stay in NO.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2010 09:48 PM

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Ellis in one on one? Now that's a Probowl season in the making.

Papz - clever, now I see...always using your brain.

Grant for Peppers? I see that some of us still have not sobered up from Sunday. LOL There's no way he stays in Carolina to begin with, so say bye bye to playing him twice a year. And I repeat "he didn't do squat against us anyway.

Reggie will be in New Orleans for a few more years. Don't think so? Then just refer back to what Payton was able to do with Devery Henderson. You know, the guy who now can't drop a pass to save his life...

Reggie will rework his deal and continue to improve. Watch.

We won't have the turnover everyone expects in 2010.

My biggest fear is losing coaches.

Memnoch_TP 02-09-2010 10:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 206528)
OK also not draft & Herm Edwards put it out on ESPN - BUT I had also thought about it...

Reggie goes (SF maybe) & that frees uo a few million & we sign...

LT.

Yes he is old & Has some miles BUT he would be a good fit in our offense. He catches well out of the backfiled & has a better north/south stlye then Reggie - Just a thought.

Hell - Trade Reggie to SD - get some compensation AND LT.


I'll trade a young Reggie for an old LT any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Memnoch_TP 02-09-2010 10:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 206647)
Ellis in one on one? Now that's a Probowl season in the making.

Papz - clever, now I see...always using your brain.

Grant for Peppers? I see that some of us still have not sobered up from Sunday. LOL There's no way he stays in Carolina to begin with, so say bye bye to playing him twice a year. And I repeat "he didn't do squat against us anyway.

Reggie will be in New Orleans for a few more years. Don't think so? Then just refer back to what Payton was able to do with Devery Henderson. You know, the guy who now can't drop a pass to save his life...

Reggie will rework his deal and continue to improve. Watch.

We won't have the turnover everyone expects in 2010.

My biggest fear is losing coaches.


The big bonus is most of the HC and Coordinator jobs have been filled already. Looks like the coaching staff will stay put for at least another year.

hitta 02-09-2010 11:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 206647)
Ellis in one on one? Now that's a Probowl season in the making.

Papz - clever, now I see...always using your brain.

Grant for Peppers? I see that some of us still have not sobered up from Sunday. LOL There's no way he stays in Carolina to begin with, so say bye bye to playing him twice a year. And I repeat "he didn't do squat against us anyway.

Reggie will be in New Orleans for a few more years. Don't think so? Then just refer back to what Payton was able to do with Devery Henderson. You know, the guy who now can't drop a pass to save his life...

Reggie will rework his deal and continue to improve. Watch.

We won't have the turnover everyone expects in 2010.

My biggest fear is losing coaches.


Yea losing coaches is my biggest fear as well. Greg Williams in particular. He is going to leave eventually for a head coaching spot, just hope its a bit of the ways down the road after we get our defense in perfect order.

SaintPauly 02-09-2010 11:01 PM

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This team, IMO, is built to last, from top to bottom. We have the right leaders, in the right positions. I might be jumping a major gun here, but I think this team will be in the upper end of the league for many years to come.

hitta 02-09-2010 11:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 206671)
This team, IMO, is built to last, from top to bottom. We have the right leaders, in the right positions. I might be jumping a major gun here, but I think this team will be in the upper end of the league for many years to come.

Yep.

CantonLegend 02-10-2010 12:08 AM

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mount cody. some others im interested in include brandon graham from michigan. the main reason i like him is because of what he was able to do at the senior bowl. those are players who are going to play at the next level and graham completely dominated them. he would make a great addition at LDE.

theres also a few players from penn state i would like to see including LB Sean Lee and DT jared odrick who is 6'5" and 300 lbs

Saint_LB 02-10-2010 12:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP (Post 206667)
I'll trade a young Reggie for an old LT any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Wow...no way would I do that. First off...I like Reggie. He seems to fit with this bunch of guys...not selfish, doesn't have to be the star...just fits in, IMO.

LdT, (I will never call him LT), on the other hand, seems to be somewhat of a malcontent if things aren't going his way. I don't know whether he would accept just being a piece in the puzzle, and I wouldn't want to take a chance on chemistry in the locker room.

If Reggie is allowed to leave, I would consider getting Dexter McCluster from Ole Miss in the 2nd round if he were available and maybe we could have a new "Deuce" type personality on the roster...local boy...makes sense to me.

SaintPauly 02-10-2010 12:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 206701)
mount cody. some others im interested in include brandon graham from michigan. the main reason i like him is because of what he was able to do at the senior bowl. those are players who are going to play at the next level and graham completely dominated them. he would make a great addition at LDE.

theres also a few players from penn state i would like to see including LB Sean Lee and DT jared odrick who is 6'5" and 300 lbs

Only 6'5", 300 pounds? Kind of small huh? ;)

SaintPauly 02-10-2010 12:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 206707)
Wow...no way would I do that. First off...I like Reggie. He seems to fit with this bunch of guys...not selfish, doesn't have to be the star...just fits in, IMO.

LdT, (I will never call him LT), on the other hand, seems to be somewhat of a malcontent if things aren't going his way. I don't know whether he would accept just being a piece in the puzzle, and I wouldn't want to take a chance on chemistry in the locker room.

If Reggie is allowed to leave, I would consider getting Dexter McCluster from Ole Miss in the 2nd round if he were available and maybe we could have a new "Deuce" type personality on the roster...local boy...makes sense to me.

Yeah, I like the McCluster idea. That guy is dynamic. Although, I think he's a little smaller than Reggie isn't he?

hitta 02-10-2010 12:21 AM

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Cody would die on the field in a Greg Williams defense. I can already see the CNN exclusive, with so called experts asking if Williams pushed him too hard.

Saint_LB 02-10-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 206710)
Yeah, I like the McCluster idea. That guy is dynamic. Although, I think he's a little smaller than Reggie isn't he?

He is small...but that seems to work to his advantage. He gets lost behind the giant lineman...but dude's got some moves. I think he will be similar to Emmitt Smith.

SaintPauly 02-10-2010 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 206715)
He is small...but that seems to work to his advantage. He gets lost behind the giant lineman...but dude's got some moves. I think he will be similar to Emmitt Smith.

I can see that. I watched McCluster tear Oklahoma State a new one in the Cotton Bowl. He can lay some wood too. I would take him as a WR too, if available, even if we keep Reggie. Could you imagine him on returns, and as a slot receiver? Man, it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the league.

CantonLegend 02-10-2010 12:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 206711)
Cody would die on the field in a Greg Williams defense. I can already see the CNN exclusive, with so called experts asking if Williams pushed him too hard.

a lot of hate for a guy who would be playing at 6'5" 350 lbs

the dude is giant, even when he gets blocked, he still wins the battle. if he stalemates the offensive linemen then he wins the battle.

there isnt a guy in the league right now who could block him consistantly and he would greatly increase our ability to stop the run. that would be a huge advantage in a division that runs the ball more than any other division in football

everyone in our division runs the ball to set up the pass. we stop the run and we make them 1 dimensional. everybody knows how deadly we are on defense when we know they are passing

SaintPauly 02-10-2010 12:43 AM

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I wouldn't mind keeping McCray, and drafting a huge DT. I agree Canton. Cody is going to have to keep his weight in check though. He looked terrible in those pictures at the Senior Bowl.

I think McCray should be re-signed. He looked good coming off the edge, and he showed up big in the play offs.

hitta 02-10-2010 12:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 206722)
a lot of hate for a guy who would be playing at 6'5" 350 lbs

the dude is giant, even when he gets blocked, he still wins the battle. if he stalemates the offensive linemen then he wins the battle.

there isnt a guy in the league right now who could block him consistantly and he would greatly increase our ability to stop the run. that would be a huge advantage in a division that runs the ball more than any other division in football

everyone in our division runs the ball to set up the pass. we stop the run and we make them 1 dimensional. everybody knows how deadly we are on defense when we know they are passing

Thats why he would be awesome in a 3-4 defense. He's like a hole plugger. In a 4-3 defense its a bit different, its more about penetration and quickness along with plugging. Not sure he works out well in that scheme. Wasn't really hating on him, just saying you can't force someone to do things they aren't built to do. I don't think he has the build or is in good enough shape to do that. I could be wrong though.

hitta 02-10-2010 12:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 206728)
I wouldn't mind keeping McCray, and drafting a huge DT. I agree Canton. Cody is going to have to keep his weight in check though. He looked terrible in those pictures at the Senior Bowl.

I think McCray should be re-signed. He looked good coming off the edge, and he showed up big in the play offs.

McCray is definitely a keeper.

SaintPauly 02-10-2010 12:47 AM

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I say, sign as many of our key players, as possible first, before even considering any other FAs. They earned it, in my opinion.

Now, remember, I said "key" players....

CantonLegend 02-10-2010 12:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 206731)
Thats why he would be awesome in a 3-4 defense. He's like a hole plugger. In a 4-3 defense its a bit different, its more about penetration and quickness along with plugging. Not sure he works out well in that scheme. Wasn't really hating on him, just saying you can't force someone to do things they aren't built to do. I don't think he has the build or is in good enough shape to do that. I could be wrong though.

there are 2 reasons defensive linemen in 3-4s are bigger......1 of them is because there are less of them so they need to take up more space

the 2nd reason is because the defensive linemen need to occupy more blockers so the blitzers can get through

now this season, as a team that runs a base 4-3, we blitzed 49% of the time our defense was on the field. that means we blitzed 2nd most in the entire league behind only the jets.

not only could he stuff the run all by himself, but he would also be able to occupy 2 blockers at a time leaving will smith 1 on 1 as well as a blitzing LB or CB completely unblocked. that is why i want him so badly.

if we played the gary gibbs defense then cody would be a terrible pick because he would have to move, but as a blitzing 4-3 defense, he could occupy 2 gaps and control the line while allowing more options to blitz

jeanpierre 02-10-2010 01:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 206647)
Ellis in one on one? Now that's a Probowl season in the making.

Papz - clever, now I see...always using your brain.

Grant for Peppers? I see that some of us still have not sobered up from Sunday. LOL There's no way he stays in Carolina to begin with, so say bye bye to playing him twice a year. And I repeat "he didn't do squat against us anyway.

Reggie will be in New Orleans for a few more years. Don't think so? Then just refer back to what Payton was able to do with Devery Henderson. You know, the guy who now can't drop a pass to save his life...

Reggie will rework his deal and continue to improve. Watch.

We won't have the turnover everyone expects in 2010.

My biggest fear is losing coaches.

No Question Grant has to geaux; at this stage, he's a 1.5 mil backup per year with legal troubles, nothing more...

The Peppers signing would create poor chemistry on defense; geaux young and draft and conservative spending in FA at DE...

But the Reggie comments are dead on!

Reggie can't be kept at this current projected salary...

But he's got to be smart and realize his best value is to stay put in Payton's offense and make the marketing money on a winning team...

jeanpierre 02-10-2010 02:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 206671)
This team, IMO, is built to last, from top to bottom. We have the right leaders, in the right positions. I might be jumping a major gun here, but I think this team will be in the upper end of the league for many years to come.

Sir, are you aware of the number of free agents we have going into an upcapped year?

Be interesting to see if Benson pulls the purse strings back now that he's got the Lombardi (well two if you count the QB coach)...

Hope Ms Rita is ready to take the reigns and figure out a way to keep this market competitive like Pittsburgh has managed to do so...

jeanpierre 02-10-2010 02:27 AM

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Did I say we need Defensive Tackle"s"? Love the Role Players but we need a monster in da middle

A new starting Defensive End? Grant's Gotta Geaux!

A Strong Safety (and possibly) a Free Safety with Sharper a FA? Jenkins, Vaughn enough?

An outside linebacker to groom behind Fujita and Shanle...

A Left Tackle (not sure Jammal is going to stay with no leverage)...

A Center (Goodwin struggled at times)...

And a Wide Receiver?!?

SaintPauly 02-10-2010 02:35 AM

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I see what you are saying about FA, but at the same time, with this final eight rule, the only players we really can concentrate on are the ones already in our ranks.

Out of all of them, I think Fujita, is most likely the one to go, because word from the Saints is, that Sharper will be one of the first we lock up.

I'm curious why you think we need another WR?


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