My thoughts on the game

WhoDat · 09-23-2003, 09:38 PM

Well Billy, you started off well. I commend you for that. Your only problem is that this is a two way street. Can you read a defense? I doubt it. Hey man, I never said I could either. But you can\'t prove that Brooks can any more than 08 can prove he can\'t.

Now, I haven\'t started a thread about Aaron Brooks in a very long time. Sure I jump in on them, but in case you haven\'t noticed, I\'ve jumped in to defend him as much as I have to criticize him in recent weeks. You know that. Who was the first to agree with you in week on that the loss wasn\'t on Brooks? Who was the first person this week to say that Brooks looked good - efficient - and if he keeps it up he\'ll prove himself to at least one person on this board? Me.

Yes, I like Jake Delhomme. I like his grit and determination. I like his style of play. Maybe I am skewed in that view, but not nearly to the degree that Saintfan is suggesting (you weren\'t around on this board when all that debating was going on). I did want to see Delhomme over Brooks at the end of last season. I did think the Saints were wrong for not playing him. However, that criticism of the COACHES\' decision has been pushed way beyond its meaning by certain members of this board. Furthermore, criticizing Brooks does not necessarily mean that I think he is all around bad, or that I think Delhomme is a star.

Billy - I respect that you come back with strong opinions and I can at least understand where your arguments come from even if I don\'t agree. The same used to be true for Saintfan as well, however, recently his posts have been so dismisive and disdainful it makes it hard to believe or even be interested in a word he has to say. Furthermore, the fact that he RARELY jumps into debates that don\'t concern Brooks is suspect - whereas you on the other hand, talk about pretty much everything on this board.

The bottom line here is that we\'re all using the same series of events and set of facts to make our determinations. How we perceive those events differ. You\'re generally more optimistic about Brooks whereas I am doubtful. We have to agree to disagree. I think most of the people on this board are still on the fence. My point is that Saintfan\'s posts are just as ridiculous to me as I would assume 08\'s are to you, b/c both polarize the issue to such a degree that it\'s completely unproductive (actually 08, I agree with some of what you\'re saying, as I\'m sure Billy agrees with Saintfan, but I gotta concede to some degree).

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-23-2003, 10:17 PM

WhoDat --

That\'s very fair brother. Truth be known, you have brought to my attention some things that I haven\'t looked at the way I probably should have. I respect your opinions although I don\'t agree with some of them. I think if we both saw things the same way that we wouldn\'t be forced to look at things that we might have overlooked. Personally, I enjoy the debate and I think we both know where each other stands. I think overall when it all comes down to it, that you are pretty fair and willing to concede in certain areas.

SuperbowlSaints · 09-23-2003, 10:23 PM

what is up wit this? nobody even acknowledges my posts, its almost like im not even on the board, ya know, i am postin stuff too, and i would like to be included on this board.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-23-2003, 10:36 PM

what is up wit this? nobody even acknowledges my posts, its almost like im not even on the board, ya know, i am postin stuff too, and i would like to be included on this board.

Sup, Superbowl. It ain\'t all it\'s cracked up to be. You got to go to war with some of these hard headed bastards to get \'em to notice you. I read your post when you said it was mainly the defenses fault. While the defense deserves there fair share of the blame I place the blame in this order.

1. Coaches
2. Play calling.
3. Defense

SuperbowlSaints · 09-23-2003, 10:37 PM

Gatorman- Brooks is gonna embaress the panthers, hopefully, i admit he isn\'t perfect, but he was the best player on the field Sunday, as for Delhomme, he doesn\'t have enough experience to lead a team to a Superbowl, the Saints have a really good chance if: 1. Brooks stays healthy
2. our defense gets better
3. the O-line does its job
4. no more INJURIES!!! on either side of the ball
5. special teams, become more than special,which thay aren\'t even that right now.

if they can do all that, they\'re goin all the way.

WhoDat · 09-24-2003, 06:56 PM

Jesus. And if a frog had wings it wouldn\'t bump it\'s a$$ when it hopped. Anymore IFs you want to add to that scenario we need to be a good team?

saintz08 · 09-25-2003, 01:27 AM

If the Saints had a head coach that could keep the team focused in December .

Memnoch_TP · 09-25-2003, 03:48 AM

Posted by SuperBowlSaints:
i am goin to that game, and i\'ll tell you this, Brooks is gonna make Delhomme look like a HighSchool QB.

That would cheer me up if our defense didn\'t make HighSchool QBs look GOOD.

saintfan · 09-25-2003, 09:24 AM

Brooks is my dad? OK...was that your mother wearing the purple hair beating that drum in the terrace level during the Houston game? I think I saw the cops hauling her off in the third quarter, but I hear she\'s accustomed to the procedure.

Whodat, the apostrophe in the word \"Coach\'s\" goes BEFRORE the \"S\" to show ownership, or didn\'t they teach you that in financial advisor school. And, ummm, you spelled it wrong too. Are you really that stupid? I\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and we\'ll just call it a typo.

Nor, Sir (and I use the word loosley here ) if you were to be completely honest you have to admit that I have NEVER...that\'s N-E-V-E-R indicated I thought Brooks was perfect. Again...that\'s NEVER, and you know it. But, you\'re right. I DO have an agenda, and that is to call out people like YOU and 08 when you attempt to blame the teams problems on Aaron Brooks...all of \'em...and you were in here hollering for Brooks\' head LONG before his injury. The record will prove it. Yes, you have come around recently. I give you credit for that, but not for much else.

By the way, Brooks is in the top five in two of your favorite statistics. Have you looked recently or are ya too shallow to admit it? Those numbers are below...and so is Jake Delhomme\'s QB rating. All I\'ve ever asked is that the critics be fair.

92.6 passer efficiency
63.9 completion percentage

Oh, I almost forgot. Jake\'s QB rating versus Tampa was 15.9. NOT a typo...15 point freakin\' 9. Put that in your pipe and smoke it...then pass it to mom. F^&*er.

WhoDat · 09-25-2003, 02:06 PM

Actually Saintfan. Coach\'s is singular possesive. Coaches\' is plural possesive. As in the decisions made by more than one coach... but I\'m sure you knew that, huh? Nice try. I\'m sure that whole rant was just a giant typo, so I will give YOU the benefit of the doubt.

And you\'re right - I did say Brooks was the wrong guy for the Saints BEFORE he got hurt. I continue to believe that. That hasn\'t changed... although I have admitted his play has been particularly good so far this year. Where does he rank in yards and TDs? Your two favorite categories...

09-23-2003, 09:38 PM	#71
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	My thoughts on the game Well Billy, you started off well. I commend you for that. Your only problem is that this is a two way street. Can you read a defense? I doubt it. Hey man, I never said I could either. But you can\'t prove that Brooks can any more than 08 can prove he can\'t. Now, I haven\'t started a thread about Aaron Brooks in a very long time. Sure I jump in on them, but in case you haven\'t noticed, I\'ve jumped in to defend him as much as I have to criticize him in recent weeks. You know that. Who was the first to agree with you in week on that the loss wasn\'t on Brooks? Who was the first person this week to say that Brooks looked good - efficient - and if he keeps it up he\'ll prove himself to at least one person on this board? Me. Yes, I like Jake Delhomme. I like his grit and determination. I like his style of play. Maybe I am skewed in that view, but not nearly to the degree that Saintfan is suggesting (you weren\'t around on this board when all that debating was going on). I did want to see Delhomme over Brooks at the end of last season. I did think the Saints were wrong for not playing him. However, that criticism of the COACHES\' decision has been pushed way beyond its meaning by certain members of this board. Furthermore, criticizing Brooks does not necessarily mean that I think he is all around bad, or that I think Delhomme is a star. Billy - I respect that you come back with strong opinions and I can at least understand where your arguments come from even if I don\'t agree. The same used to be true for Saintfan as well, however, recently his posts have been so dismisive and disdainful it makes it hard to believe or even be interested in a word he has to say. Furthermore, the fact that he RARELY jumps into debates that don\'t concern Brooks is suspect - whereas you on the other hand, talk about pretty much everything on this board. The bottom line here is that we\'re all using the same series of events and set of facts to make our determinations. How we perceive those events differ. You\'re generally more optimistic about Brooks whereas I am doubtful. We have to agree to disagree. I think most of the people on this board are still on the fence. My point is that Saintfan\'s posts are just as ridiculous to me as I would assume 08\'s are to you, b/c both polarize the issue to such a degree that it\'s completely unproductive (actually 08, I agree with some of what you\'re saying, as I\'m sure Billy agrees with Saintfan, but I gotta concede to some degree).
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-23-2003, 10:17 PM	#72
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game WhoDat -- That\'s very fair brother. Truth be known, you have brought to my attention some things that I haven\'t looked at the way I probably should have. I respect your opinions although I don\'t agree with some of them. I think if we both saw things the same way that we wouldn\'t be forced to look at things that we might have overlooked. Personally, I enjoy the debate and I think we both know where each other stands. I think overall when it all comes down to it, that you are pretty fair and willing to concede in certain areas.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-23-2003, 10:23 PM	#73
SuperbowlSaints Registered Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 90	My thoughts on the game what is up wit this? nobody even acknowledges my posts, its almost like im not even on the board, ya know, i am postin stuff too, and i would like to be included on this board.
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09-23-2003, 10:36 PM	#74
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game what is up wit this? nobody even acknowledges my posts, its almost like im not even on the board, ya know, i am postin stuff too, and i would like to be included on this board. Sup, Superbowl. It ain\'t all it\'s cracked up to be. You got to go to war with some of these hard headed bastards to get \'em to notice you. I read your post when you said it was mainly the defenses fault. While the defense deserves there fair share of the blame I place the blame in this order. 1. Coaches 2. Play calling. 3. Defense
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-23-2003, 10:37 PM	#75
SuperbowlSaints Registered Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 90	My thoughts on the game Gatorman- Brooks is gonna embaress the panthers, hopefully, i admit he isn\'t perfect, but he was the best player on the field Sunday, as for Delhomme, he doesn\'t have enough experience to lead a team to a Superbowl, the Saints have a really good chance if: 1. Brooks stays healthy 2. our defense gets better 3. the O-line does its job 4. no more INJURIES!!! on either side of the ball 5. special teams, become more than special,which thay aren\'t even that right now. if they can do all that, they\'re goin all the way.
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09-24-2003, 06:56 PM	#76
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	My thoughts on the game Jesus. And if a frog had wings it wouldn\'t bump it\'s a$$ when it hopped. Anymore IFs you want to add to that scenario we need to be a good team?
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09-25-2003, 01:27 AM	#77
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09-25-2003, 03:48 AM	#78
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	My thoughts on the game Posted by SuperBowlSaints: i am goin to that game, and i\'ll tell you this, Brooks is gonna make Delhomme look like a HighSchool QB. That would cheer me up if our defense didn\'t make HighSchool QBs look GOOD.

09-25-2003, 09:24 AM	#79
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	My thoughts on the game Brooks is my dad? OK...was that your mother wearing the purple hair beating that drum in the terrace level during the Houston game? I think I saw the cops hauling her off in the third quarter, but I hear she\'s accustomed to the procedure. Whodat, the apostrophe in the word \"Coach\'s\" goes BEFRORE the \"S\" to show ownership, or didn\'t they teach you that in financial advisor school. And, ummm, you spelled it wrong too. Are you really that stupid? I\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and we\'ll just call it a typo. Nor, Sir (and I use the word loosley here ) if you were to be completely honest you have to admit that I have NEVER...that\'s N-E-V-E-R indicated I thought Brooks was perfect. Again...that\'s NEVER, and you know it. But, you\'re right. I DO have an agenda, and that is to call out people like YOU and 08 when you attempt to blame the teams problems on Aaron Brooks...all of \'em...and you were in here hollering for Brooks\' head LONG before his injury. The record will prove it. Yes, you have come around recently. I give you credit for that, but not for much else. By the way, Brooks is in the top five in two of your favorite statistics. Have you looked recently or are ya too shallow to admit it? Those numbers are below...and so is Jake Delhomme\'s QB rating. All I\'ve ever asked is that the critics be fair. 92.6 passer efficiency 63.9 completion percentage Oh, I almost forgot. Jake\'s QB rating versus Tampa was 15.9. NOT a typo...15 point freakin\' 9. Put that in your pipe and smoke it...then pass it to mom. F^&*er.
	C'mon Man...

09-25-2003, 02:06 PM	#80
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	My thoughts on the game Actually Saintfan. Coach\'s is singular possesive. Coaches\' is plural possesive. As in the decisions made by more than one coach... but I\'m sure you knew that, huh? Nice try. I\'m sure that whole rant was just a giant typo, so I will give YOU the benefit of the doubt. And you\'re right - I did say Brooks was the wrong guy for the Saints BEFORE he got hurt. I continue to believe that. That hasn\'t changed... although I have admitted his play has been particularly good so far this year. Where does he rank in yards and TDs? Your two favorite categories...
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"