Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints (Cleveland signs Jake)

stockman311 · 03-11-2010, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

I am NOT a Brooks fan, let me make that perfectly clear. What I will say, is that he QB'd us
to our first winning season, with a play off win. He earned his starting position, when he did that.
Now, after his second or third season of idiocy, YES, he should have been benched, but by then
Jake was already gone. Anyone remember Brooks' back up? Todd Bouman? He was TERRIBLE.
Brooks is gone, but at the time Haslett made the best decision for the team. The evil u know, is better
than the evil u don't know. Haslett and AB are gone now. If they bring jake back so be it, but I
just think we have more pressing signings, than the back up QB right now.

You say that right up until the point Brees goes down. Then it becomes the most pressing of needs. I think we all watched Game 16 this year against Carolina when Brunell was putting Meachem's life at risk everytime he led him into a defender and airmailed the ball 10 feet over his head.

saintfan · 03-11-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I think we all watched Game 16 this year against Carolina when Brunell was putting Meachem's life at risk everytime he led him into a defender and airmailed the ball 10 feet over his head.

Anyone that watched Carolina saw Jakie-poo do that to poor Steve Smith all year long. Jake is not a better option.

D_it_up · 03-11-2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Anyone that watched Carolina saw Jakie-poo do that to poor Steve Smith all year long. Jake is not a better option.

I sort of agree with what you are saying, but remember one thing. Steve Smith is the only receiving threat the Panthers have. Muhammad, although fairly serviceable at his age, still wasn't the answer for them as a #2 receiver. Jarrett was hit or miss. Mostly miss. Their tight ends leave a lot to be desired. In Jake's defense, he was trying to force a lot of passes to the only playmaker the team has in the receiving corps. Not to say that he didn't have a bad season, because he truly did. I just think there is more to it than that. It kind of reminds me of the Browns QB situation, but they have absolutely ZERO playmakers on offense and no offensive line and that makes Anderson and Quinn look drastically worse statistically.

saintfan · 03-11-2010, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

I sort of agree with what you are saying, but remember one thing. Steve Smith is the only receiving threat the Panthers have. Muhammad, although fairly serviceable at his age, still wasn't the answer for them as a #2 receiver. Jarrett was hit or miss. Mostly miss. Their tight ends leave a lot to be desired. In Jake's defense, he was trying to force a lot of passes to the only playmaker the team has in the receiving corps. Not to say that he didn't have a bad season, because he truly did. I just think there is more to it than that. It kind of reminds me of the Browns QB situation, but they have absolutely ZERO playmakers on offense and no offensive line and that makes Anderson and Quinn look drastically worse statistically.

Well I don't completely disagree, but Delhomme was not the victim of a bad team. The Panthers, while not the Patriots of late or the Cowboys of the 90's or even the Saints of last year are not a bad team. They are a decent team that suffered through at least the last year and a half of some of the worst QB play ever by a 'starting' NFL QB. The stats back it up. The wins and losses back it up, and the fact that they just took something like a 12m dollar hit to get rid of the guy should tell anyone all they need to know.

Saint_LB · 03-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

What I will say, is that he QB'd us
to our first winning season, with a play off win. He earned his starting position, when he did that.
.

Weren't we something like 6-1 when Blake went down? I don't think you can give him credit for the winning season...but the playoff win I will concede. Not enough to be annointed savior and paid a king's ransom, IMO.

SmashMouth · 03-11-2010, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

I am NOT a Brooks fan, let me make that perfectly clear. What I will say, is that he QB'd us
to our first winning season, with a play off win. He earned his starting position, when he did that.
Now, after his second or third season of idiocy, YES, he should have been benched, but by then
Jake was already gone. Anyone remember Brooks' back up? Todd Bouman? He was TERRIBLE.
Brooks is gone, but at the time Haslett made the best decision for the team. The evil u know, is better
than the evil u don't know. Haslett and AB are gone now. If they bring jake back so be it, but I
just think we have more pressing signings, than the back up QB right now.

Not really ... the whole world knew AB was hurt ... Jake could have come in for the last three games and made a difference.

saintfan · 03-11-2010, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Not really ... the whole world knew AB was hurt ... Jake could have come in for the last three games and made a difference.

Based on recent evidence, what he might have done is throw 6 ints in those 3 games. No thanks.

MorningWood · 03-11-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Based on recent evidence, what he might have done is throw 6 ints in those 3 games. No thanks.

Jake had played well whenever he had an opportunity to get on the field. All of the evidence at that time screamed that he should have went in and played instead of putting an injured AB in the game.

You can't say Haslett made a good decision way back then because Jake did not play well in 2009.

saintfan · 03-11-2010, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by MorningWood

Jake had played well whenever he had an opportunity to get on the field. All of the evidence at that time screamed that he should have went in and played instead of putting an injured AB in the game.

You can't say Haslett made a good decision way back then because Jake did not play well in 2009.

True. And you can't say Jake would be better than "X" QB as Drew's backup in 2010 because of what he did 3 or 4 years ago, regardless of who "X" QB is, because the numbers will show nobody has done any worse at the position than Delhomme lately. Recent history says he'd suck hard, cause that's all he's done for the last year +.

Jake failed to crack the starting lineup prior to AB, and post AB. He was cut by people not named Haslett. He didn't/doesn't have the tools, and it was an injury to the starting QB that got him on the field in Carolina. He did well for a while but the real Jake ultimately cost him his job and the Panthers a good 12 million. He's good on a 5 yard slant, but he panics in the pocket, throws lobs down the middle of the field when pressured, and generally tends to make poor decisions. That's not me being biased. Thats on his record for the world to see.

MorningWood · 03-11-2010, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Not really ... the whole world knew AB was hurt ... Jake could have come in for the last three games and made a difference.

Yeah, dat's da troof. That was a low point for me as a fan. I was definitely a disgruntled customer. It's an understatement to say that we had been through harder times, but it was frustrating to see our playoff hopes go down the drain because Haslett was too stuborn to do what everyone could see needed to be done.

03-11-2010, 03:48 PM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by saintpaul25 I am NOT a Brooks fan, let me make that perfectly clear. What I will say, is that he QB'd us to our first winning season, with a play off win. He earned his starting position, when he did that. Now, after his second or third season of idiocy, YES, he should have been benched, but by then Jake was already gone. Anyone remember Brooks' back up? Todd Bouman? He was TERRIBLE. Brooks is gone, but at the time Haslett made the best decision for the team. The evil u know, is better than the evil u don't know. Haslett and AB are gone now. If they bring jake back so be it, but I just think we have more pressing signings, than the back up QB right now. You say that right up until the point Brees goes down. Then it becomes the most pressing of needs. I think we all watched Game 16 this year against Carolina when Brunell was putting Meachem's life at risk everytime he led him into a defender and airmailed the ball 10 feet over his head.

03-11-2010, 05:13 PM	#3
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by saintfan Anyone that watched Carolina saw Jakie-poo do that to poor Steve Smith all year long. Jake is not a better option. I sort of agree with what you are saying, but remember one thing. Steve Smith is the only receiving threat the Panthers have. Muhammad, although fairly serviceable at his age, still wasn't the answer for them as a #2 receiver. Jarrett was hit or miss. Mostly miss. Their tight ends leave a lot to be desired. In Jake's defense, he was trying to force a lot of passes to the only playmaker the team has in the receiving corps. Not to say that he didn't have a bad season, because he truly did. I just think there is more to it than that. It kind of reminds me of the Browns QB situation, but they have absolutely ZERO playmakers on offense and no offensive line and that makes Anderson and Quinn look drastically worse statistically.

03-11-2010, 05:25 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by D_it_up I sort of agree with what you are saying, but remember one thing. Steve Smith is the only receiving threat the Panthers have. Muhammad, although fairly serviceable at his age, still wasn't the answer for them as a #2 receiver. Jarrett was hit or miss. Mostly miss. Their tight ends leave a lot to be desired. In Jake's defense, he was trying to force a lot of passes to the only playmaker the team has in the receiving corps. Not to say that he didn't have a bad season, because he truly did. I just think there is more to it than that. It kind of reminds me of the Browns QB situation, but they have absolutely ZERO playmakers on offense and no offensive line and that makes Anderson and Quinn look drastically worse statistically. Well I don't completely disagree, but Delhomme was not the victim of a bad team. The Panthers, while not the Patriots of late or the Cowboys of the 90's or even the Saints of last year are not a bad team. They are a decent team that suffered through at least the last year and a half of some of the worst QB play ever by a 'starting' NFL QB. The stats back it up. The wins and losses back it up, and the fact that they just took something like a 12m dollar hit to get rid of the guy should tell anyone all they need to know.
	C'mon Man...

03-11-2010, 04:00 PM	#5
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by saintpaul25 What I will say, is that he QB'd us to our first winning season, with a play off win. He earned his starting position, when he did that. . Weren't we something like 6-1 when Blake went down? I don't think you can give him credit for the winning season...but the playoff win I will concede. Not enough to be annointed savior and paid a king's ransom, IMO.
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03-11-2010, 06:11 PM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,554 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by saintpaul25 I am NOT a Brooks fan, let me make that perfectly clear. What I will say, is that he QB'd us to our first winning season, with a play off win. He earned his starting position, when he did that. Now, after his second or third season of idiocy, YES, he should have been benched, but by then Jake was already gone. Anyone remember Brooks' back up? Todd Bouman? He was TERRIBLE. Brooks is gone, but at the time Haslett made the best decision for the team. The evil u know, is better than the evil u don't know. Haslett and AB are gone now. If they bring jake back so be it, but I just think we have more pressing signings, than the back up QB right now. Not really ... the whole world knew AB was hurt ... Jake could have come in for the last three games and made a difference.

03-11-2010, 05:06 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by stockman311 I think we all watched Game 16 this year against Carolina when Brunell was putting Meachem's life at risk everytime he led him into a defender and airmailed the ball 10 feet over his head. Anyone that watched Carolina saw Jakie-poo do that to poor Steve Smith all year long. Jake is not a better option.

03-11-2010, 06:50 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by SmashMouth Not really ... the whole world knew AB was hurt ... Jake could have come in for the last three games and made a difference. Based on recent evidence, what he might have done is throw 6 ints in those 3 games. No thanks.

03-11-2010, 08:01 PM	#8
MorningWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 180	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by saintfan Based on recent evidence, what he might have done is throw 6 ints in those 3 games. No thanks. Jake had played well whenever he had an opportunity to get on the field. All of the evidence at that time screamed that he should have went in and played instead of putting an injured AB in the game. You can't say Haslett made a good decision way back then because Jake did not play well in 2009.
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03-11-2010, 08:18 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by MorningWood Jake had played well whenever he had an opportunity to get on the field. All of the evidence at that time screamed that he should have went in and played instead of putting an injured AB in the game. You can't say Haslett made a good decision way back then because Jake did not play well in 2009. True. And you can't say Jake would be better than "X" QB as Drew's backup in 2010 because of what he did 3 or 4 years ago, regardless of who "X" QB is, because the numbers will show nobody has done any worse at the position than Delhomme lately. Recent history says he'd suck hard, cause that's all he's done for the last year +. Jake failed to crack the starting lineup prior to AB, and post AB. He was cut by people not named Haslett. He didn't/doesn't have the tools, and it was an injury to the starting QB that got him on the field in Carolina. He did well for a while but the real Jake ultimately cost him his job and the Panthers a good 12 million. He's good on a 5 yard slant, but he panics in the pocket, throws lobs down the middle of the field when pressured, and generally tends to make poor decisions. That's not me being biased. Thats on his record for the world to see.
	C'mon Man...

03-11-2010, 07:57 PM	#10
MorningWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 180	Re: Jake Delhomme to Visit Saints Originally Posted by SmashMouth Not really ... the whole world knew AB was hurt ... Jake could have come in for the last three games and made a difference. Yeah, dat's da troof. That was a low point for me as a fan. I was definitely a disgruntled customer. It's an understatement to say that we had been through harder times, but it was frustrating to see our playoff hopes go down the drain because Haslett was too stuborn to do what everyone could see needed to be done.
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