Owners pass Overtime rule proposal

stockman311 · 03-23-2010, 05:12 PM

Payton on the vote: "It is what it is. It kind of happened without anyone knowing. It was supposed to be voted on tomorrow."

Just for those that thought Payton had any say in this whatsoever.

stockman311 · 03-23-2010, 05:14 PM

Because Team A CAN win the game with a touchdown without relinquishing the ball to Team B. Is it that complicated?

Tobias-Reiper · 03-23-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Because Team A CAN win the game with a touchdown without relinquishing the ball to Team B. Is it that complicated?

... and I believed you when you said you were very intelligent.

My question was: how is it fair that the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG, but the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG?

Team A wins coin toss. Team A defers the kick.
Team B onside kicks and recovers the ball. That is the first possession of the game.
Team B moves the ball 30 yards and scores a FG. The field goal wins the game.
Team A won the coin toss, but never had possession of the ball, and lost on a FG.

HOWEVER, the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game with a FG on the first possession of the game.

How is that fair now?

stockman311 · 03-23-2010, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

... and I believed you when you said you were very intelligent.

My question was: how is it fair that the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG, but the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG?

Team A wins coin toss. Team A defers the kick.
Team B onside kicks and recovers the ball. That is the first possession of the game.
Team B moves the ball 30 yards and scores a FG. The field goal wins the game.
Team A won the coin toss, but never had possession of the ball, and lost on a FG.

HOWEVER, the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game with a FG on the first possession of the game.

How is that fair now?

It's called modified sudden death. IF you can't see that this format is MORE FAIR to the team that loses the coinflip, than the previous OT rules then I don't know what to tell you.

CantonLegend · 03-23-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

It's called modified sudden death. IF you can't see that this format is MORE FAIR to the team that loses the coinflip, than the previous OT rules then I don't know what to tell you.

more fair? all its doing is taking the kicker out of the game

apparently even the owners believe that kickers arent very important

however, when you look at the list of all time leading scorers in the NFL.....you'll notice they are all kickers

why? because kickers are a huge part of the game....they are required to do several different things that are unseen

not only do they kick, they also must play defense

besides the fact that they completely insulted special teams.....they embarrassed defenses by assuming that you cant stop the other team no matter what team wins the coin toss

the old rules required the defense to make a play.....if they didnt, then the other team won.....and since the NFL has cut out special teams out of overtime, there is only 2 phases of football......offense and defense

but since the new rules require both teams to get a chance on offense, they are taking defense out of the game too.....so i guess defense is completely lost too

SmashMouth · 03-24-2010, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

more fair? all its doing is taking the kicker out of the game

apparently even the owners believe that kickers arent very important

however, when you look at the list of all time leading scorers in the NFL.....you'll notice they are all kickers

why? because kickers are a huge part of the game....they are required to do several different things that are unseen

not only do they kick, they also must play defense

besides the fact that they completely insulted special teams.....they embarrassed defenses by assuming that you cant stop the other team no matter what team wins the coin toss

the old rules required the defense to make a play.....if they didnt, then the other team won.....and since the NFL has cut out special teams out of overtime, there is only 2 phases of football......offense and defense

but since the new rules require both teams to get a chance on offense, they are taking defense out of the game too.....so i guess defense is completely lost too

Good way to look at it, CL! No wonder you won the activity award!

Tobias-Reiper · 03-24-2010, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

but since the new rules require both teams to get a chance on offense, they are taking defense out of the game too.....so i guess defense is completely lost too

That's the one point that's really bothering me and what our resident genius stockman311 did not get in my posts. Is the new rule effectively guaranteeing possession of the ball? "Getting a chance on offense" means the offense has to have possession of the ball, and the offense doesn't get possession of the ball until after the special teams get the ball. A successful onside kick negates possession to the offense and therefore the offense doesn't get a chance, unless they are now going to outlaw onside kicks at the beginning of OT, which would be a direct stab at the Saints for both winning in OT on the first offensive possession in the NFCCG and kicking an onside kick in the SB.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-23-2010, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

It's called modified sudden death. IF you can't see that this format is MORE FAIR to the team that loses the coinflip, than the previous OT rules then I don't know what to tell you.

So, it is "more fair" that the team that wins the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of overtime with a FG, but the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of overtime..

Oh, yeah, that is more fair... suuuuuure.

stockman311 · 03-24-2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

So, it is "more fair" that the team that wins the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of overtime with a FG, but the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of overtime..

Oh, yeah, that is more fair... suuuuuure.

Let me try and break this down one more time for you since you don't appear to be getting it. The NFL thought the team that LOST the coin toss was not being treated fairly by not touching the ball on offense. Therefore this new OT was desingned to make it MORE FAIR for the team that loses the toss. By that very nature, it becomes LESS FAIR for the team that wins the coin toss. However, since 100% of the teams that won the toss chose to take the ball, and since 53% of teams that won the toss won the game under the old format, and 70% of those games were decided by a field goal, they wanted to make it less likely that a game would be decided by a kickoff return, pass interference call, field goal, game over. Understand?

As for Canton, he we go again with you. NO, kickers have not been removed from the game. If TEAM A kicks a field goal on their FIRST POSSESSION, then that score can win the game. TEAM A must play DEFENSE. Which means your other assertation is incorrect as well. In fact both teams kickers and both teams defenses will be MORE involved in overtime than the previous OT. Let's try thinking before typing from now on gents. It's not that hard.

stockman311 · 03-23-2010, 05:18 PM

Also, Team A can win the game with a FG on it's first possession as long as they stop Team B on their first possession.

03-23-2010, 05:12 PM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Payton on the vote: "It is what it is. It kind of happened without anyone knowing. It was supposed to be voted on tomorrow." Just for those that thought Payton had any say in this whatsoever.

03-23-2010, 05:14 PM	#2
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Because Team A CAN win the game with a touchdown without relinquishing the ball to Team B. Is it that complicated?
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03-23-2010, 05:24 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by stockman311 Because Team A CAN win the game with a touchdown without relinquishing the ball to Team B. Is it that complicated? ... and I believed you when you said you were very intelligent. My question was: how is it fair that the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG, but the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG? Team A wins coin toss. Team A defers the kick. Team B onside kicks and recovers the ball. That is the first possession of the game. Team B moves the ball 30 yards and scores a FG. The field goal wins the game. Team A won the coin toss, but never had possession of the ball, and lost on a FG. HOWEVER, the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game with a FG on the first possession of the game. How is that fair now?
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03-23-2010, 07:52 PM	#4
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ... and I believed you when you said you were very intelligent. My question was: how is it fair that the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG, but the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG? Team A wins coin toss. Team A defers the kick. Team B onside kicks and recovers the ball. That is the first possession of the game. Team B moves the ball 30 yards and scores a FG. The field goal wins the game. Team A won the coin toss, but never had possession of the ball, and lost on a FG. HOWEVER, the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game with a FG on the first possession of the game. How is that fair now? It's called modified sudden death. IF you can't see that this format is MORE FAIR to the team that loses the coinflip, than the previous OT rules then I don't know what to tell you.

03-23-2010, 08:01 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by stockman311 It's called modified sudden death. IF you can't see that this format is MORE FAIR to the team that loses the coinflip, than the previous OT rules then I don't know what to tell you. more fair? all its doing is taking the kicker out of the game apparently even the owners believe that kickers arent very important however, when you look at the list of all time leading scorers in the NFL.....you'll notice they are all kickers why? because kickers are a huge part of the game....they are required to do several different things that are unseen not only do they kick, they also must play defense besides the fact that they completely insulted special teams.....they embarrassed defenses by assuming that you cant stop the other team no matter what team wins the coin toss the old rules required the defense to make a play.....if they didnt, then the other team won.....and since the NFL has cut out special teams out of overtime, there is only 2 phases of football......offense and defense but since the new rules require both teams to get a chance on offense, they are taking defense out of the game too.....so i guess defense is completely lost too
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03-24-2010, 06:12 AM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,509 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by CantonLegend more fair? all its doing is taking the kicker out of the game apparently even the owners believe that kickers arent very important however, when you look at the list of all time leading scorers in the NFL.....you'll notice they are all kickers why? because kickers are a huge part of the game....they are required to do several different things that are unseen not only do they kick, they also must play defense besides the fact that they completely insulted special teams.....they embarrassed defenses by assuming that you cant stop the other team no matter what team wins the coin toss the old rules required the defense to make a play.....if they didnt, then the other team won.....and since the NFL has cut out special teams out of overtime, there is only 2 phases of football......offense and defense but since the new rules require both teams to get a chance on offense, they are taking defense out of the game too.....so i guess defense is completely lost too Good way to look at it, CL! No wonder you won the activity award!

03-24-2010, 08:47 AM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by CantonLegend but since the new rules require both teams to get a chance on offense, they are taking defense out of the game too.....so i guess defense is completely lost too That's the one point that's really bothering me and what our resident genius stockman311 did not get in my posts. Is the new rule effectively guaranteeing possession of the ball? "Getting a chance on offense" means the offense has to have possession of the ball, and the offense doesn't get possession of the ball until after the special teams get the ball. A successful onside kick negates possession to the offense and therefore the offense doesn't get a chance, unless they are now going to outlaw onside kicks at the beginning of OT, which would be a direct stab at the Saints for both winning in OT on the first offensive possession in the NFCCG and kicking an onside kick in the SB.
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03-23-2010, 08:14 PM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by stockman311 It's called modified sudden death. IF you can't see that this format is MORE FAIR to the team that loses the coinflip, than the previous OT rules then I don't know what to tell you. So, it is "more fair" that the team that wins the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of overtime with a FG, but the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of overtime.. Oh, yeah, that is more fair... suuuuuure.
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03-24-2010, 09:16 AM	#9
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper So, it is "more fair" that the team that wins the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of overtime with a FG, but the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of overtime.. Oh, yeah, that is more fair... suuuuuure. Let me try and break this down one more time for you since you don't appear to be getting it. The NFL thought the team that LOST the coin toss was not being treated fairly by not touching the ball on offense. Therefore this new OT was desingned to make it MORE FAIR for the team that loses the toss. By that very nature, it becomes LESS FAIR for the team that wins the coin toss. However, since 100% of the teams that won the toss chose to take the ball, and since 53% of teams that won the toss won the game under the old format, and 70% of those games were decided by a field goal, they wanted to make it less likely that a game would be decided by a kickoff return, pass interference call, field goal, game over. Understand? As for Canton, he we go again with you. NO, kickers have not been removed from the game. If TEAM A kicks a field goal on their FIRST POSSESSION, then that score can win the game. TEAM A must play DEFENSE. Which means your other assertation is incorrect as well. In fact both teams kickers and both teams defenses will be MORE involved in overtime than the previous OT. Let's try thinking before typing from now on gents. It's not that hard.
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03-23-2010, 05:18 PM	#10
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Owners pass Overtime rule proposal Also, Team A can win the game with a FG on it's first possession as long as they stop Team B on their first possession.