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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by HintOfLogic Villan, I love ya' and all..... but this is the most thoughtless, recycled Bush apologists beacon statement ever. What running back doesn't require a player committed to him... seriously? I don't think you've ever stopped and ...

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Old 04-07-2010, 11:23 AM   #1
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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
Villan, I love ya' and all..... but this is the most thoughtless, recycled Bush apologists beacon statement ever. What running back doesn't require a player committed to him... seriously? I don't think you've ever stopped and thought about this statement. Are you saying that Bush get's more people committed to him coming out of the backfield than Pierre or others? Every time I hear that statement, I get stupider and stupider.... literally, it hurts my brain.

YES, Bush draws coverage, BTW, so does any other running back out of the backfield.... the only difference is, Bush is easier to tackle once he's called on. Also, I find it fascinating that the term and relevance of the term "Decoy" in respects to an NFL Football player was coined for Bush and only after Bush continued to hender to progress as an NFL running back.
Sounds like u gotta hard on for reggie.

Damn youngman do you really want me break it down Grab a Snickers its gonna be a while . Yes as broad as my statement was its actually more complex then that. Any body coming out of the back field will require attention YES. But with the skill players we have on offense when reggie comes out now there is a very good chance teams will have to assign a man to cover him ( man on man) creating a mismatch( Colston needs dbl coverage keep this in mind) with the skill players we have playing zone coverage just won't do its suicidal. Defenses typically assign their best cover LB to dynamic TE's ( ie Shockey) now in a 3 Wide set now the safety has to come and play man up on a WR leaving man up for the corner on that side, also leaving his area open for say a drag by the TE now since Reggie is in the game send him out wide or even in the flats now the other LB(OLB) has to account for him, SPREADING the defense out and creating SPACE for Combination Routes like the ones where David Thomas and Shockey seem to be wide open for 20yrd + pass plays. Plain and simple Reggie Creates Match up problems and him being on the field causes defense to adjust their coverage. adjusting coverages sometimes causes teams to use Time Outs, Be out of position and give up big plays or even open up space for other routes. understand? Dont look at stats look at the entire picture. 3WR set (Colston single wr ) put Devery and Meachem on the same side Have 1 run a post and the other run a fly, typically the corner will take the outside man a LB will bump to cover the slot until he is in the FS' area now FS has to cover the Post, with reggie comming outta back field the LB cant bump and cover as it will leave reggie open in space so he has to check reggie, FS has to come down and run with the post leaving man on man with 1 of the fastest Wr's in the game. Are you telling me you dont like those odds with Drew Brees throwin the ball? Thats SREADING out a defense thus even if the ball doesnt go reggies way he was just as important to that play as was the slot wr. to put it simply he eliminates 1 player from coverage creating better match ups. consider who the coach is and what they do.

See the drawing Below
Notice the TE (Y) route leads to open space

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
I agree about Greer and Porter, absolutely love them. But to me, it was Sharper making the most picks and his slow a$$ was returning them for 6. .
Look At Shaper when Porter and Greer play and look at him when they dont play. Sharper recorded the ints' but he didnt create them all by him self. Outstanding coverage by 22 and 32 allows Sharper to Roam and Romp like he did last year and just play center field. When they didnt play he wasn't running around like he could have because the coverage wasnt as good as when porter and greer were in the game. His instincts allowed him to make plays on the ball but he doesnt run as well as he used to and without porter and greer I say he doesnt have half them pick. Point blank....

proof read your statements and you'll be ok, i do agree its not english class but your stentence structure is backwards sometimes and in fragments, cant accuratley get your point accross if the reader has to say" What??" I dont type in perfect english either just some FYI.

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Old 04-07-2010, 12:20 AM   #2
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Im only going to say this once..im drunk...and we better bring Sharper back damn he brings leadership and fire that we need...Who the hell else we got ?...nobody that is his caliber...think about it..get off your ass Loomis..its an uncapped year....it aint about the duckys...
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Im only going to say this once..im drunk...and we better bring Sharper back damn he brings leadership and fire that we need...Who the hell else we got ?...nobody that is his caliber...think about it..get off your ass Loomis..its an uncapped year....it aint about the duckys...
LOL HE has to take the porterhouse because he ain't gettin the ribbye, strato. he's worn out he should have gotten arrested taking candy from the babies .( kolb, sanchez, etc. ) he played tired at times especially into the last third of the season. i will agree he is the best out there for g.williams system. but looks like we have to pay someone else 8 million and let sharpie walk. i say give the man 2 mill for one more and get someone primed for the job, jenkins could be ready by 2011 if he can play deep center field like sharpie. they say he has instincts well lets find out this year.

thats the fact jack!!!!!
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Maybe Jenkins in a few ..but i want another Title and Sharper gives us the best shot...Let Jenkins lat the Nickel another season...and learn from the best...
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Hey that candy sure taste good...and it was harder to find later in the season...but it sure put Ws on the board and i garuntee you he will be a Saint for the 2 mil you speak of...just wait a little longer..Unless we go safety in the draft..which is possible...

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hHow the heck did Bush get into the subject?....he is a great piece to the puzzle ...just like Sharper...
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hHow the heck did Bush get into the subject?....he is a great piece to the puzzle ...just like Sharper...
.... thread evolves around not being able to afford Sharper.

.... Saints have a novelty back, Bush, set to be the highest paid RB in the NFL, which coincidentally might cause the Saints to loose more pro bowl players.

I think Sharper is more important than Bush.... what gives?
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:28 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
.... thread evolves around not being able to afford Sharper.

.... Saints have a novelty back, Bush, set to be the highest paid RB in the NFL, which coincidentally might cause the Saints to loose more pro bowl players.

I think Sharper is more important than Bush.... what gives?
My $.02 worth. I have not been around much lately, and when I come back the only 2 threads that I've noticed so far have you ragging on Reggie, and if I didn't know better I would say that you came here with an agenda. Your inability to see the value of Reggie Bush speaks volumes, but in the posts I've read, I've seen you use the word caliper instead of caliber and loose instead of lose, so...carry on.
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My $.02 worth. I have not been around much lately, and when I come back the only 2 threads that I've noticed so far have you ragging on Reggie, and if I didn't know better I would say that you came here with an agenda. Your inability to see the value of Reggie Bush speaks volumes, but in the posts I've read, I've seen you use the word caliper instead of caliber and loose instead of lose, so...carry on.
how old are you..... I'm talking football, and you're playing spellchecker? If you're trying to impress me or discredit my comments, why don't you actually address my points and discredit them or share your difference in opinion.

I have "ragged on Reggie". First off, you need to lighten up. If you look and listen around the league you might find I'm not the only one that finds Reggies value highly controversial.

I DO know Reggies value, and it's not up there with the NFL's highest paid RB's and more importantly, it's not a value that should have us loosing key guys and pro bowlers. am I missing something? I've also watched Reggie play like a pansy for the last four years up until these last few games closing in on his big payoff year. So assuming he's set and paid for 2010, how can anyone assume he doesn't revert back to darting for the sidelines.

I love when people read a bunch of things they don't want to hear and rebut the poster by scrutinizing their writing for misspells. You're special!

Second off, you need to lighten up. Why is everybody so quick to dispense their Reggie force-field..... I personally feel he's expendable. Maybe not by account of your emotional infatuation with him, but in regards to the productivity of this team as they've proved to be just as, if not more potent in games with his absence.

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Reggie has hung around this team producing pedestrian numbers for the past few years (while yes, getting vastly overpaid). > Sharper joins the team and leads the NFL in int.s and dominates his side of the ball solidifying his position. However (you still following, I'm making sure spell-check is on....), a lot of the comments I see speak about Sharper as if he's expendable as people get concerned with him trying to draw what, 2 million? see, where I'm going yet? ....you want to talk about value? ... or just not ready to take your Bush jersey to Goodwill? Why are no red flags or time outs called when Sharper's expendability and value come up, although if Bush's is questioned people or kids get very defensive and insulting towards the poster?

The bottom line is, the majority of Saints fans have a complex about Bush and ignorantly defend him (for example, offering no logic, just attacking the critic), as if their personal pride rides with Bush.

Seriously though, I can't believe you stooped to the level of pointing out misspells of all the things that's been said, what a typical douche....
If you're going to waste your $0.02, why don't you waste it talking about football, instead of how you can find misspells? The only thing missing is you lecturing me about how I'm not a "real fan", otherwise, you couldn't have been more typical and generic to this point.

oh, but I might have missed a forum policy that any misspells might discredit any or all comments made in a thread.... well shucks! carry on.....
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The bottom line is, the majority of Saints fans have a complex about Bush and ignorantly defend him (for example, offering no logic, just attacking the critic), as if their personal pride rides with Bush.
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how do you define "majority"? and how do you have the insight to know what the "majority" of saints fans think?..do you mean the majority of your circle of friends?..i must know how you know this cause i want to be "in the know"
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