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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CantonLegend first........reggie was gameplanned around this year teams stopped kicking deep to him......i remember him having a lot of fair catches this season because punters wouldnt punt deep and give him the room to return it.......i think ...

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Old 04-16-2010, 02:52 AM   #1
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Re: New Orleans Saints uncertain about decisions of Pierre Thomas, Jahri Evans, others

Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
first........reggie was gameplanned around this year

teams stopped kicking deep to him......i remember him having a lot of fair catches this season because punters wouldnt punt deep and give him the room to return it.......i think he got frustrated and tried to make something out of nothing a lot more than he should've.....the beauty is that we kept him healthy, and we got decent field position because they needed to kick it shorter

secondly......the offensive line is the most important part of any run game......running backs are almost interchangeable with good offensive lines

look at guys like thomas jones, LT, emmitt smith, etc etc...the list goes on and on

they have good seasons when they are behind a great offensive line....then after awhile the system changes or the linemen move on and their production drops

"experts" blame this on age.......people that know what they are talking about realize that it is in fact the offensive line, the coach, the system, or a combination that causes the decrease in production
OK, regardless of this master plan that the world has to make Reggie suck... here's the thing, Great players DO make something out of nothing. Players we keep holding out high hopes for, keep "trying" to make something out of nothing.

secondly, the didn't kick deep excuse / theory is typical desperate BS, but hardly true. He wasn't running up for returns. it's the typical rhetoric that viewers recycle every time he get's shut down returning.

What I remember is Reggie going down by the first guy on the scene, often by shoestring tackles in most cases. Are we really going to do this... we're going to have a debate based of of excuses?

Reggie is towards the bottom of the list on NFL PR's for Fair Catches.

and I don't even want to have a debate with you if you have any inclination that Pierre's abilities and his success was due credit to the effectiveness of the offensive line.... Brees, no doubt, but Pierre is all playmaker.

If you're theory is true wouldn't Bush be a great RB behind our offensive line? How is it that he self implodes behind our line, yet Pierre is gonna get his yards? Your theories are so full of double standards it's dizzying.

those three running backs you mentioned are about as good as it get's for the NFL. they weren't the product of good lines, they are pure playmakers and performed under all circumstances. they simply got older and accumulated injuries.... you don't know THIS!!??

citing Pierre as an average product of his O line and crediting Emmitt, LT's and Jones success on the effectiveness of their O-lines, YET, you're here to defend Reggie Bush makes me wonder how you even see well enough to type with those blinders on?
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OK, regardless of this master plan that the world has to make Reggie suck... here's the thing, Great players DO make something out of nothing. Players we keep holding out high hopes for, keep "trying" to make something out of nothing.

secondly, the didn't kick deep excuse / theory is typical desperate BS, but hardly true. He wasn't running up for returns. it's the typical rhetoric that viewers recycle every time he get's shut down returning.

What I remember is Reggie going down by the first guy on the scene, often by shoestring tackles in most cases. Are we really going to do this... we're going to have a debate based of of excuses?

Reggie is towards the bottom of the list on NFL PR's for Fair Catches.
prove it.....but more than that....show how many less times we put him back there compared to guys like lance moore and courtney roby etc.....reggie wasnt our only punt returner this season

and I don't even want to have a debate with you if you have any inclination that Pierre's abilities and his success was due credit to the effectiveness of the offensive line.... Brees, no doubt, but Pierre is all playmaker.
If you're theory is true wouldn't Bush be a great RB behind our offensive line? How is it that he self implodes behind our line, yet Pierre is gonna get his yards? Your theories are so full of double standards it's dizzying.

those three running backs you mentioned are about as good as it get's for the NFL. they weren't the product of good lines, they are pure playmakers and performed under all circumstances. they simply got older and accumulated injuries.... you don't know THIS!!??

citing Pierre as an average product of his O line and crediting Emmitt, LT's and Jones success on the effectiveness of their O-lines, YET, you're here to defend Reggie Bush makes me wonder how you even see well enough to type with those blinders on?
lmao.....you have no idea what i said and further more have no idea what you are talking about

i defended reggies punt returns.....not his running......however if you want to get into it

reggie averaged 5.6 ypc and had 30 less carries than the year before.....but managed only 15 yards less rushing than in'08

oh yea.....and reggie is a 97 speed on madden.....that proves it

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Re: New Orleans Saints uncertain about decisions of Pierre Thomas, Jahri Evans, others

Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
prove it.....but more than that....show how many less times we put him back there compared to guys like lance moore and courtney roby etc.....reggie wasnt our only punt returner this season



lmao.....you have no idea what i said and further more have no idea what you are talking about

i defended reggies punt returns.....not his running......however if you want to get into it

reggie averaged 5.6 ypc and had 30 less carries than the year before.....but managed only 15 yards less rushing than in'08

oh yea.....and reggie is a 97 speed on madden.....that proves it

Here's Reggies "Fair Catches":

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Nine on the season, tied at #26 fewest in the NFL.

And for sh!ts and giggles, why don't you check out where he sits check out his AVG:

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

now, how are you going to further change the subject.... or even dig yourself deeper into excuses. Have no idea what "I'm" talking about? How clever of an argument you've got there.... Oh, where are Lance Moore on Cortney Roby on that list?

... this coming from someone who is going to tell me some of the greatest RB's in NFL's history was result of their O line?

I'm going to tell you right now. If you are going to bring "excuses" into an argument to back up a players capabilities or lack of.... it's going nowhere. See, IMAO, I think you sound like a tool repeating typical Reggie hype rhetoric. See, he was "supposed" to be our great PR guy right. Carried all the hype and constant exaggeration (otherwise known as hope). In reality (where I live), he sucks majorly at as a PR guy... plain and simple... and if it wasn't for his major hype, major salary and lack of skill sets to offer otherwise, he wouldn't even be returning punts with the display he's put on. I don't enjoy the fact that he sucks, but I can't bring my self to the brain numbing state of accepting it and even more, defending him based of the premise of excuses.

IMAO, you're a tool incapable of thinking for yourself.

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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic View Post
Here's Reggies "Fair Catches":

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Nine on the season, tied at #26 fewest in the NFL.

And for sh!ts and giggles, why don't you check out where he sits check out his AVG:

2009 NFL Player Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

now, how are you going to further change the subject.... or even dig yourself deeper into excuses. Have no idea what "I'm" talking about? How clever of an argument you've got there.... Oh, where are Lance Moore on Cortney Roby on that list?

... this coming from someone who is going to tell me some of the greatest RB's in NFL's history was result of their O line?

I'm going to tell you right now. If you are going to bring "excuses" into an argument to back up a players capabilities or lack of.... it's going nowhere. See, IMAO, I think you sound like a tool repeating typical Reggie hype rhetoric. See, he was "supposed" to be our great PR guy right. Carried all the hype and constant exaggeration (otherwise known as hope). In reality (where I live), he sucks majorly at as a PR guy... plain and simple... and if it wasn't for his major hype, major salary and lack of skill sets to offer otherwise, he wouldn't even be returning punts with the display he's put on. I don't enjoy the fact that he sucks, but I can't bring my self to the brain numbing state of accepting it and even more, defending him based of the premise of excuses.

IMAO, you're a tool incapable of thinking for yourself.
ouch.....im gonna go cry and get back to you in a second once ive dried my eyes
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