Stop the Run!

biloxi-indian · 04-27-2010, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

you think this has anything to do with cody?

the problem is bigger than a single player

cody is a raven and i dont give a **** about him....you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion.....i constantly had to defend my opinion of him but there were several options available in arguably the best DT draft in decades and we didnt get any of them

we drafted some LSU kid with questionable work ethic and limited experience in the 4th round......guards and centers go in the 4th round all the time and turn into good starters....they dont go early in the draft because they can be found later

DTs do go early.....as early as #2, #3, #5, #9, and #10

because they have that kind of value

but we didnt get any of the top rated DTs that were available up into 3rd and 4th rounds.....we drafted a DT who many believe would've been available into the 7th round and UDFA

as far as me being a critical reader......make your point evident....instead of just trying to say payton and loomis are smarter than me

your not offering anything constructive......just simply saying "trust payton and loomis"

loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons

payton is an offensive coach and our defense has struggled significantly over the past several seasons, including last year in which we won the super bowl

so should i trust payton with the offense.....heck yea....way to go getting a tackle and a TE.......should i trust him drafting anything other than offense? he hasnt made a big splash yet with anybody he's drafted on the defensive side of the ball.....including sedrick ellis who, many believe, still hasnt lived up to his expectations

so no....i dont trust either one of them with our defensive picks

Legend, you really need to take your meds. Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion".

So you don't trust Loomis and Payton? That is curious. The only GM and HC to bring a SB to NO and you don't trust them. Laughable at best my friend.

Let the rant continue.

CantonLegend · 04-27-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Legend, you really need to take your meds. Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion".

So you don't trust Loomis and Payton? That is curious. The only GM and HC to bring a SB to NO and you don't trust them. Laughable at best my friend.

Let the rant continue.

like i said....the offense is great but.....

what have they done to convince you the defense is cured?

and medical history?

biloxi-indian · 04-27-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

like i said....the offense is great but.....

what have they done to convince you the defense is cured?

and medical history?

Don't evade you premise and assertion!

"Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion".

To answer your ?. Another year under GW and his D scheme will have an impact. I beieve this is a major point you may be overlooking. You have to admit injuries last year hurt a great deal. The Saints started off in the top 10 in D I believe and then the injuries. Ellis was hurt and out, what 3 or 4 games?

We have added both Brown and Wilkerson at DE. Grant is gone. Both of these are IMPROVEMENTS. I think the current vets at DT can make it happen. Add Woods to the mix and I think both the DLC and Williams will kick his butt in shape or to the curb! My bet...in shape! Lastly, I am not sure Loomis and Payton are finished at DT. Cuts are coming and 1 year contracts are in vogue right now.

As you stated, LB situation/solution is in the house.

Unlike you, I have trust in Loomis, Payton, and the scouts.

Now I am waiting for you evidence.

Let the rant continue.

CantonLegend · 04-27-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Don't evade you premise and assertion!

"Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion".

lol your one of those guys that says...."oh yea.....find me an example" then when i do....."oh yea well i bet you cant find another one" lmao

you responded to me solely because you believe im obsessed with terrence cody.....im not.....im obsessed with the thought of stopping the run right now....cody fit the bill.....so did a lot of other DTs

To answer your ?. Another year under GW and his D scheme will have an impact. I beieve this is a major point you may be overlooking. You have to admit injuries last year hurt a great deal. The Saints started off in the top 10 in D I believe and then the injuries. Ellis was hurt and out, what 3 or 4 games?

sure and we went undefeated the first 13 weeks but didnt end up undefeated.....we didnt have a top run defense because we couldnt stop it.....now pass defense......yep, sharper, greer, porter, and harper.....they can play the pass when we know the other team is gonna pass the ball

however.....even early we gave up lots of yardage on the ground

We have added both Brown and Wilkerson at DE. Grant is gone. Both of these are IMPROVEMENTS.

alex brown....48 tackles....6 sacks

jimmy wilkerson.....46 tackles..6 sacks

charles grant.....44 tackles......6 sacks

upgrade? where?

I think the current vets at DT can make it happen.

they didnt last year.....the only DT we lost was clancy and hes not even on the roster now.....so whos the big bad DT thats gonna step up?

Add Woods to the mix and I think both the DLC and Williams will kick his butt in shape or to the curb! My bet...in shape!

i love the optimism......not opposed to it......but the last late round DT we picked up.....pressley....is pretty worthless....maybe we overexaggerate the success of our coaching staff and front office in the late rounds? and again.....no success in the later rounds on defense yet

Lastly, I am not sure Loomis and Payton are finished at DT. Cuts are coming and 1 year contracts are in vogue right now.

sure.....lets talk about the future.....lets talk about bringing in another DT from cuts to compete with the other 7 guys plus the UDFAs we brought in

who are we going to bring in that isnt good enough to make another teams roster that will stop the run for us?

Now I am waiting for you evidence.

Let the rant continue.

what evidence? and the rant you keep talking about? not really a rant....you keep responding....so i further prove my point....then you respond again....and i make my point even clearer

biloxi-indian · 04-27-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol your one of those guys that says...."oh yea.....find me an example" then when i do....."oh yea well i bet you cant find another one" lmao

you responded to me solely because you believe im obsessed with terrence cody.....im not.....im obsessed with the thought of stopping the run right now....cody fit the bill.....so did a lot of other DTs

sure and we went undefeated the first 13 weeks but didnt end up undefeated.....we didnt have a top run defense because we couldnt stop it.....now pass defense......yep, sharper, greer, porter, and harper.....they can play the pass when we know the other team is gonna pass the ball

however.....even early we gave up lots of yardage on the ground

alex brown....48 tackles....6 sacks

jimmy wilkerson.....46 tackles..6 sacks

charles grant.....44 tackles......6 sacks

upgrade? where?

they didnt last year.....the only DT we lost was clancy and hes not even on the roster now.....so whos the big bad DT thats gonna step up?

i love the optimism......not opposed to it......but the last late round DT we picked up.....pressley....is pretty worthless....maybe we overexaggerate the success of our coaching staff and front office in the late rounds? and again.....no success in the later rounds on defense yet

sure.....lets talk about the future.....lets talk about bringing in another DT from cuts to compete with the other 7 guys plus the UDFAs we brought in

who are we going to bring in that isnt good enough to make another teams roster that will stop the run for us?

what evidence? and the rant you keep talking about? not really a rant....you keep responding....so i further prove my point....then you respond again....and i make my point even clearer

The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it!

You cannot find evidence as it does not exist. You can't find it. Face it and admit it.

Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol

You really do need to become a more critical reader.

Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected

Lesson over!

strato · 04-27-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it!

You cannot find evidence as it does not exist. You can't find it. Face it and admit it.

Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol

You really do need to become a more critical reader.

Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected

Lesson over!

LOL..read my Loomis intreview ,,it will answer your burning questions...rant over...lol

biloxi-indian · 04-27-2010, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by strato

LOL..read my Loomis intreview ,,it will answer your burning questions...rant over...lol

Thanks for the recap. I heard the Loomis segment.

However, knowing the "legend" there is a high probability the rant will continue until he proves Loomis wrong! lololololol

CantonLegend · 04-27-2010, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it!

you are baiting me right now....you are wrong so you change the subject until you can find something to be right about

this thread has nothing to do with what you have said in the past.....however, your post in this thread was more than enough to not only prove that you are blowing my opinion of terrence cody out of proportion, but that you have no idea how i actually feel about our run defense as a whole

Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol

your posts are full of criticisms and rhetorical questions

you ask them and dont expect a response

what would i do? bring in henderson for a look.....spend the money that we would be giving sharper on the run stuffing DT

You really do need to become a more critical reader.

Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected

Lesson over!

im not responding with rhetoric and im not speaking violently or talking in wild

im making points that you cant respond to with normal answers so you respond with "trust payton and loomis" which is fine as an answer

but dont expect it to be an end all when there is much more to the story

biloxi-indian · 04-28-2010, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

you are baiting me right now....you are wrong so you change the subject until you can find something to be right about

this thread has nothing to do with what you have said in the past.....however, your post in this thread was more than enough to not only prove that you are blowing my opinion of terrence cody out of proportion, but that you have no idea how i actually feel about our run defense as a whole

your posts are full of criticisms and rhetorical questions

you ask them and dont expect a response

what would i do? bring in henderson for a look.....spend the money that we would be giving sharper on the run stuffing DT

im not responding with rhetoric and im not speaking violently or talking in wild

im making points that you cant respond to with normal answers so you respond with "trust payton and loomis" which is fine as an answer

but dont expect it to be an end all when there is much more to the story

legend;

I will save you time in finding evidence to back-up your assertion re; comments I made on cody and your wanting him to be a Saint...it is not there. I really didn't and don't care about your feelings about him...prior to or after the draft. So you can rest easy, now! All this being said...you might want to refrain from writing when you are angry.

Here is my response to the OP;

x,

Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans.

That being said, to use your illustration;

If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out!

I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"!

btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?

Wrong about what? Bring Henderson in for a look/see is your answer to your perceived run stuffing DT problem. So how is that different than what is in the last paragraph above (except Henderson's name)? You really need to become a more critical reader!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw; Henderson's 2009 stats; 36 tackles (10 being assists), 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles! And this is your answer to the problem you have with the Saints and their run D? In 2009 Hargrove alone had 42 tackles (10 being assists), 5 sacks, and 1 forced fumble.

Anthony Hargrove

You later do a follow-up with "you said my post was obvious.....so obvious that we didnt draft a big DT or a LB which seems to be our biggest holes"

Then this jewel; "LBs.....im comfortable with our LBs". Which is it, Mr. Inconsistent?

You doubt and lack trust in Loomis, Payton, and Williams but then you opine; "loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons". I keyed in on "a huge success up until these past four seasons"! lolololol I guess it is how one defines HUGE? Building a team who has a long history of losing seasons and winning a SB IMHO is HUGE.

The "rant" was initiated by the OP; "This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night". Legend...it appears you think everything is about you, and you must/have to be right. The malady OCPD requires professional assistance.

You have proven you are incapable of admitting you made an assertion during a fit of anger...which was wrong, all the while desirous of "proving" you were right with a "rope- a-dope". If you were a more critical reader...you would have understood what you opined is exactly what I originally commented to the OP...and saved a lot of bandwidth.

Just so you know...I stand by this;

Originally Posted by CantonLegend
"cant repeat if we dont get better

every other team is getting better.....if we stay stagnant and get complacent then we wont get better and wont have any chance of repeating this year"

My response; "Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer."

GO Saints...in Mickey, Sean, and Gregg we trust! 2DAT.

I'll leave the last word(s) to you...as I know you have to have them! lololololol

TheOak · 05-03-2010, 09:49 AM

Maybe this is where some light may come from.

Jay Ross – Defensive Tackle, East Carolina (6-3, 302): Ross was a three-year starter on the Pirates’ defensive line, opening 42 games of the 52 he played for East Carolina, three times earning honorable mention All-Conference USA honors. The Wilmington, N.C. native totaled 140 tackles over his four seasons, 25 of them behind the line of scrimmage including eight sacks and added two forced fumbles and a pair of fumble recoveries, one of which he returned for a TD.
Brandon Sharpe – Defensive End, Texas Tech (6-2, 254): Sharpe played in 23 games at Texas Tech over three seasons after spending a year at Fresno City College. The Lyons, Ga. native set a school record with 15 sacks as a senior in 2009, earning first-team All-Big XII honors as he started 12 games and totaled 36 tackles (20 of them coming behind the line of scrimmage), with five pass defenses, three forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries. For his Red Raider career, Sharpe totaled 41 tackles with 16 sacks.

Junior Galette – Defensive End, Stillman (6-2, 258): Galette was a three-year letter-winner at Temple before transferring to Stillman College prior to his senior season. The Spring Valley, N.Y. native played 33 games for Temple, making 80 tackles with 16 sacks and three forced fumbles. In his lone season at Stillman, Galette made 56 tackles and notched 9½ sacks, earning first-team All-Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference honors and being named a second-team Division II All-American.

Harry Coleman – Linebacker, LSU (6-2, 212): Coleman was a two-year starter for the Tigers, moving from strong safety to linebacker in between his junior and senior seasons and closed his career with 183 tackles, four sacks, 11 pass defenses, four fumbles and a pair of fumble recoveries in 52 games, starting the final 26 of them. The Baldwin, La. native was named LSU’s Most Valuable Player as a senior in 2009, posting career-highs with 82 tackles, nine tackles for loss, four sacks and three forced fumbles.

Jason Beauchamp – Linebacker, UNLV (6-3, 244): Beauchamp is an athletic linebacker who was the Rebels’ leading tackler in both his junior and senior seasons, playing 48 games with 37 starts for UNLV and tallying 334 tackles, with 26 of those coming for losses including 13 sacks and a pair of forced fumbles. The San Diego native was a three-year starter and was named honorable mention all-Mountain West Conference in 2009 after earning second-team honors the prior year, posting 95 tackles with a career-best 6½ sacks as a senior.

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04-27-2010, 02:25 PM	#3
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by CantonLegend like i said....the offense is great but..... what have they done to convince you the defense is cured? and medical history? Don't evade you premise and assertion! "Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". To answer your ?. Another year under GW and his D scheme will have an impact. I beieve this is a major point you may be overlooking. You have to admit injuries last year hurt a great deal. The Saints started off in the top 10 in D I believe and then the injuries. Ellis was hurt and out, what 3 or 4 games? We have added both Brown and Wilkerson at DE. Grant is gone. Both of these are IMPROVEMENTS. I think the current vets at DT can make it happen. Add Woods to the mix and I think both the DLC and Williams will kick his butt in shape or to the curb! My bet...in shape! Lastly, I am not sure Loomis and Payton are finished at DT. Cuts are coming and 1 year contracts are in vogue right now. As you stated, LB situation/solution is in the house. Unlike you, I have trust in Loomis, Payton, and the scouts. Now I am waiting for you evidence. Let the rant continue.
	Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over, over, and over again...and expecting a different outcome!

04-27-2010, 02:38 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Don't evade you premise and assertion! "Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". lol your one of those guys that says...."oh yea.....find me an example" then when i do....."oh yea well i bet you cant find another one" lmao you responded to me solely because you believe im obsessed with terrence cody.....im not.....im obsessed with the thought of stopping the run right now....cody fit the bill.....so did a lot of other DTs To answer your ?. Another year under GW and his D scheme will have an impact. I beieve this is a major point you may be overlooking. You have to admit injuries last year hurt a great deal. The Saints started off in the top 10 in D I believe and then the injuries. Ellis was hurt and out, what 3 or 4 games? sure and we went undefeated the first 13 weeks but didnt end up undefeated.....we didnt have a top run defense because we couldnt stop it.....now pass defense......yep, sharper, greer, porter, and harper.....they can play the pass when we know the other team is gonna pass the ball however.....even early we gave up lots of yardage on the ground We have added both Brown and Wilkerson at DE. Grant is gone. Both of these are IMPROVEMENTS. alex brown....48 tackles....6 sacks jimmy wilkerson.....46 tackles..6 sacks charles grant.....44 tackles......6 sacks upgrade? where? I think the current vets at DT can make it happen. they didnt last year.....the only DT we lost was clancy and hes not even on the roster now.....so whos the big bad DT thats gonna step up? Add Woods to the mix and I think both the DLC and Williams will kick his butt in shape or to the curb! My bet...in shape! i love the optimism......not opposed to it......but the last late round DT we picked up.....pressley....is pretty worthless....maybe we overexaggerate the success of our coaching staff and front office in the late rounds? and again.....no success in the later rounds on defense yet Lastly, I am not sure Loomis and Payton are finished at DT. Cuts are coming and 1 year contracts are in vogue right now. sure.....lets talk about the future.....lets talk about bringing in another DT from cuts to compete with the other 7 guys plus the UDFAs we brought in who are we going to bring in that isnt good enough to make another teams roster that will stop the run for us? Now I am waiting for you evidence. Let the rant continue. what evidence? and the rant you keep talking about? not really a rant....you keep responding....so i further prove my point....then you respond again....and i make my point even clearer
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

04-27-2010, 03:42 PM	#5
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by CantonLegend lol your one of those guys that says...."oh yea.....find me an example" then when i do....."oh yea well i bet you cant find another one" lmao you responded to me solely because you believe im obsessed with terrence cody.....im not.....im obsessed with the thought of stopping the run right now....cody fit the bill.....so did a lot of other DTs sure and we went undefeated the first 13 weeks but didnt end up undefeated.....we didnt have a top run defense because we couldnt stop it.....now pass defense......yep, sharper, greer, porter, and harper.....they can play the pass when we know the other team is gonna pass the ball however.....even early we gave up lots of yardage on the ground alex brown....48 tackles....6 sacks jimmy wilkerson.....46 tackles..6 sacks charles grant.....44 tackles......6 sacks upgrade? where? they didnt last year.....the only DT we lost was clancy and hes not even on the roster now.....so whos the big bad DT thats gonna step up? i love the optimism......not opposed to it......but the last late round DT we picked up.....pressley....is pretty worthless....maybe we overexaggerate the success of our coaching staff and front office in the late rounds? and again.....no success in the later rounds on defense yet sure.....lets talk about the future.....lets talk about bringing in another DT from cuts to compete with the other 7 guys plus the UDFAs we brought in who are we going to bring in that isnt good enough to make another teams roster that will stop the run for us? what evidence? and the rant you keep talking about? not really a rant....you keep responding....so i further prove my point....then you respond again....and i make my point even clearer The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it! You cannot find evidence as it does not exist. You can't find it. Face it and admit it. Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol You really do need to become a more critical reader. Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected Lesson over!
	Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over, over, and over again...and expecting a different outcome!

04-27-2010, 03:46 PM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by biloxi-indian The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it! You cannot find evidence as it does not exist. You can't find it. Face it and admit it. Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol You really do need to become a more critical reader. Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected Lesson over! LOL..read my Loomis intreview ,,it will answer your burning questions...rant over...lol

04-27-2010, 03:55 PM	#7
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by strato LOL..read my Loomis intreview ,,it will answer your burning questions...rant over...lol Thanks for the recap. I heard the Loomis segment. However, knowing the "legend" there is a high probability the rant will continue until he proves Loomis wrong! lololololol

04-27-2010, 02:00 PM	#1
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by CantonLegend you think this has anything to do with cody? the problem is bigger than a single player cody is a raven and i dont give a **** about him....you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion.....i constantly had to defend my opinion of him but there were several options available in arguably the best DT draft in decades and we didnt get any of them we drafted some LSU kid with questionable work ethic and limited experience in the 4th round......guards and centers go in the 4th round all the time and turn into good starters....they dont go early in the draft because they can be found later DTs do go early.....as early as #2, #3, #5, #9, and #10 because they have that kind of value but we didnt get any of the top rated DTs that were available up into 3rd and 4th rounds.....we drafted a DT who many believe would've been available into the 7th round and UDFA as far as me being a critical reader......make your point evident....instead of just trying to say payton and loomis are smarter than me your not offering anything constructive......just simply saying "trust payton and loomis" loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons payton is an offensive coach and our defense has struggled significantly over the past several seasons, including last year in which we won the super bowl so should i trust payton with the offense.....heck yea....way to go getting a tackle and a TE.......should i trust him drafting anything other than offense? he hasnt made a big splash yet with anybody he's drafted on the defensive side of the ball.....including sedrick ellis who, many believe, still hasnt lived up to his expectations so no....i dont trust either one of them with our defensive picks Legend, you really need to take your meds. Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". So you don't trust Loomis and Payton? That is curious. The only GM and HC to bring a SB to NO and you don't trust them. Laughable at best my friend. Let the rant continue.

04-27-2010, 02:08 PM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Legend, you really need to take your meds. Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". So you don't trust Loomis and Payton? That is curious. The only GM and HC to bring a SB to NO and you don't trust them. Laughable at best my friend. Let the rant continue. like i said....the offense is great but..... what have they done to convince you the defense is cured? and medical history?

04-27-2010, 11:19 PM	#8
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by biloxi-indian The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it! you are baiting me right now....you are wrong so you change the subject until you can find something to be right about this thread has nothing to do with what you have said in the past.....however, your post in this thread was more than enough to not only prove that you are blowing my opinion of terrence cody out of proportion, but that you have no idea how i actually feel about our run defense as a whole Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol your posts are full of criticisms and rhetorical questions you ask them and dont expect a response what would i do? bring in henderson for a look.....spend the money that we would be giving sharper on the run stuffing DT You really do need to become a more critical reader. Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected Lesson over! im not responding with rhetoric and im not speaking violently or talking in wild im making points that you cant respond to with normal answers so you respond with "trust payton and loomis" which is fine as an answer but dont expect it to be an end all when there is much more to the story
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04-28-2010, 03:27 AM	#9
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by CantonLegend you are baiting me right now....you are wrong so you change the subject until you can find something to be right about this thread has nothing to do with what you have said in the past.....however, your post in this thread was more than enough to not only prove that you are blowing my opinion of terrence cody out of proportion, but that you have no idea how i actually feel about our run defense as a whole your posts are full of criticisms and rhetorical questions you ask them and dont expect a response what would i do? bring in henderson for a look.....spend the money that we would be giving sharper on the run stuffing DT im not responding with rhetoric and im not speaking violently or talking in wild im making points that you cant respond to with normal answers so you respond with "trust payton and loomis" which is fine as an answer but dont expect it to be an end all when there is much more to the story legend; I will save you time in finding evidence to back-up your assertion re; comments I made on cody and your wanting him to be a Saint...it is not there. I really didn't and don't care about your feelings about him...prior to or after the draft. So you can rest easy, now! All this being said...you might want to refrain from writing when you are angry. Here is my response to the OP; x, Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans. That being said, to use your illustration; If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out! I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"! btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June? Wrong about what? Bring Henderson in for a look/see is your answer to your perceived run stuffing DT problem. So how is that different than what is in the last paragraph above (except Henderson's name)? You really need to become a more critical reader!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw; Henderson's 2009 stats; 36 tackles (10 being assists), 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles! And this is your answer to the problem you have with the Saints and their run D? In 2009 Hargrove alone had 42 tackles (10 being assists), 5 sacks, and 1 forced fumble. Anthony Hargrove You later do a follow-up with "you said my post was obvious.....so obvious that we didnt draft a big DT or a LB which seems to be our biggest holes" Then this jewel; "LBs.....im comfortable with our LBs". Which is it, Mr. Inconsistent? You doubt and lack trust in Loomis, Payton, and Williams but then you opine; "loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons". I keyed in on "a huge success up until these past four seasons"! lolololol I guess it is how one defines HUGE? Building a team who has a long history of losing seasons and winning a SB IMHO is HUGE. The "rant" was initiated by the OP; "This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night". Legend...it appears you think everything is about you, and you must/have to be right. The malady OCPD requires professional assistance. You have proven you are incapable of admitting you made an assertion during a fit of anger...which was wrong, all the while desirous of "proving" you were right with a "rope- a-dope". If you were a more critical reader...you would have understood what you opined is exactly what I originally commented to the OP...and saved a lot of bandwidth. Just so you know...I stand by this; Originally Posted by CantonLegend "cant repeat if we dont get better every other team is getting better.....if we stay stagnant and get complacent then we wont get better and wont have any chance of repeating this year" My response; "Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer." GO Saints...in Mickey, Sean, and Gregg we trust! 2DAT. I'll leave the last word(s) to you...as I know you have to have them! lololololol
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05-03-2010, 09:49 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Stop the Run! Maybe this is where some light may come from. Jay Ross – Defensive Tackle, East Carolina (6-3, 302): Ross was a three-year starter on the Pirates’ defensive line, opening 42 games of the 52 he played for East Carolina, three times earning honorable mention All-Conference USA honors. The Wilmington, N.C. native totaled 140 tackles over his four seasons, 25 of them behind the line of scrimmage including eight sacks and added two forced fumbles and a pair of fumble recoveries, one of which he returned for a TD. Brandon Sharpe – Defensive End, Texas Tech (6-2, 254): Sharpe played in 23 games at Texas Tech over three seasons after spending a year at Fresno City College. The Lyons, Ga. native set a school record with 15 sacks as a senior in 2009, earning first-team All-Big XII honors as he started 12 games and totaled 36 tackles (20 of them coming behind the line of scrimmage), with five pass defenses, three forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries. For his Red Raider career, Sharpe totaled 41 tackles with 16 sacks. Junior Galette – Defensive End, Stillman (6-2, 258): Galette was a three-year letter-winner at Temple before transferring to Stillman College prior to his senior season. The Spring Valley, N.Y. native played 33 games for Temple, making 80 tackles with 16 sacks and three forced fumbles. In his lone season at Stillman, Galette made 56 tackles and notched 9½ sacks, earning first-team All-Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference honors and being named a second-team Division II All-American. Harry Coleman – Linebacker, LSU (6-2, 212): Coleman was a two-year starter for the Tigers, moving from strong safety to linebacker in between his junior and senior seasons and closed his career with 183 tackles, four sacks, 11 pass defenses, four fumbles and a pair of fumble recoveries in 52 games, starting the final 26 of them. The Baldwin, La. native was named LSU’s Most Valuable Player as a senior in 2009, posting career-highs with 82 tackles, nine tackles for loss, four sacks and three forced fumbles. Jason Beauchamp – Linebacker, UNLV (6-3, 244): Beauchamp is an athletic linebacker who was the Rebels’ leading tackler in both his junior and senior seasons, playing 48 games with 37 starts for UNLV and tallying 334 tackles, with 26 of those coming for losses including 13 sacks and a pair of forced fumbles. The San Diego native was a three-year starter and was named honorable mention all-Mountain West Conference in 2009 after earning second-team honors the prior year, posting 95 tackles with a career-best 6½ sacks as a senior. Saints Announce 2010 Rookie Free Agent Class
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